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18 Feb 2014, 10:15 am

It is easy to judge their racism and hatred when you are not the one who was ethnically cleansed from your own land by land grabbing European immigrants!

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Quite a lot of British and EU aid goes to the sainted Palestinians. I would be very happy if all aid was cut off to both sides in the Middle East. Israel can easily survive; the Palestinians would not. The West is perpetuating the situation and worsening it, not making it better.

The Palestinians need to be made aware that the world will no longer tolerate their bronze-age racist hatred and lust for blood.



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18 Feb 2014, 11:17 am

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How does Zionism affect you? It doesn't me. The US sends aide to Israel but it does a host of others too I have no connection with.


Quite a lot of British and EU aid goes to the sainted Palestinians. I would be very happy if all aid was cut off to both sides in the Middle East. Israel can easily survive; the Palestinians would not. The West is perpetuating the situation and worsening it, not making it better.

The Palestinians need to be made aware that the world will no longer tolerate their bronze-age racist hatred and lust for blood.


Yes that is unless it comes from Israel then its ok.


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18 Feb 2014, 1:28 pm

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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A lot of people will speak critically of the Jews and portray the Palestinians as innocent victims but they offer no reasonable ideas and they do nothing to help the situation. Posting on this thread accomplishes nothing. If you really care you will go get directly involved in the peace process and you will promote solutions that will bring peace, not wars.


There is no solution. The Jews are occupying Palestinian land. The only solution would be for them to leave.

Okay then you'd better leave too because where you live was once occupied by someone else who was here before you and then Europeans just came and took it but wait...before one tribe another tribe lived on it but were kicked off by invaders so you better go back and trace exactly who the first people were who lived on that land. Unless you are a full blooded American Indian and can prove your ancestors were the very first people to live on that spot you call home, it wasn't you. So as soon as you are willing to leave, I will suggest the Israelis do the same.


You are drifting. We are not talking about North America. North America was settled over a 150 years ago. It's over. Second the US has never occupied any people for more then a short time. Since the beginning of the country it has always been the policy of the US to occupy only long enough to instal democracy, then give the people their freedom and move on. That policy has worked well. That is not the way that Israel works.

FYI. There are 6 million Jews in Israel. They are surrounded by 350 million Arabs. The only reason Israel continues to exist is because of military support from the US. If that support was cut off for any reason, Israel would be finished. Now look at the population chart for Israel below, and try to figure out any possible solution, other then getting the Jews out of there. There is no other solution. Israel is not sustainable. I seriously doubt that even most Israelis believe it is. It's just temporary.


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What is this obsession you have with uprooting a whole country? Why do I sense a certain glee from you at the prospect of Israel's demise?


There is no glee. It doesn't effect me one way or the other. It's just a fact. Though it would be nice to stop wasting our tax money on a hopeless cause.



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18 Feb 2014, 2:20 pm

Tequila wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
How does Zionism affect you? It doesn't me. The US sends aide to Israel but it does a host of others too I have no connection with.


Quite a lot of British and EU aid goes to the sainted Palestinians. I would be very happy if all aid was cut off to both sides in the Middle East. Israel can easily survive; the Palestinians would not. The West is perpetuating the situation and worsening it, not making it better.

The Palestinians need to be made aware that the world will no longer tolerate their bronze-age racist hatred and lust for blood.

I disagree. We can make it better and should stay involved. We should promote the idea wars are not necessary and that Gaza can be a lovely city like Beirut, a prize the Palestinians do not want tainted by violence and destruction. Right now they feel they have nothing to lose so they have this insane mindset but they can stop with the fanaticism and become more like Lebanon. Go the opposite direction and focus on now, not yesterday, This is pure wisdom yet they keep making stupid choices. They need to get with it, for real, because it's really frustrating and ridiculous the same old tired tactics that haven't worked in fifty plus years just make them look like they are completely ignorant and clueless.
Now is the time.
And also send in Native American mentors they could really help the situation and the Palestinians would relate to them better. Have them coach the Palestinians on how to build a better today and tomorrow instead of just destroying prosperity. Native American history is a blue print for peace. Both sides should examine it and model the peace process after it. The Palestinians can open up a few casinos in Gaza, even.



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18 Feb 2014, 2:40 pm

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Max000 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
A lot of people will speak critically of the Jews and portray the Palestinians as innocent victims but they offer no reasonable ideas and they do nothing to help the situation. Posting on this thread accomplishes nothing. If you really care you will go get directly involved in the peace process and you will promote solutions that will bring peace, not wars.


There is no solution. The Jews are occupying Palestinian land. The only solution would be for them to leave.

Okay then you'd better leave too because where you live was once occupied by someone else who was here before you and then Europeans just came and took it but wait...before one tribe another tribe lived on it but were kicked off by invaders so you better go back and trace exactly who the first people were who lived on that land. Unless you are a full blooded American Indian and can prove your ancestors were the very first people to live on that spot you call home, it wasn't you. So as soon as you are willing to leave, I will suggest the Israelis do the same.


You are drifting. We are not talking about North America. North America was settled over a 150 years ago. It's over. Second the US has never occupied any people for more then a short time. Since the beginning of the country it has always been the policy of the US to occupy only long enough to instal democracy, then give the people their freedom and move on. That policy has worked well. That is not the way that Israel works.

FYI. There are 6 million Jews in Israel. They are surrounded by 350 million Arabs. The only reason Israel continues to exist is because of military support from the US. If that support was cut off for any reason, Israel would be finished. Now look at the population chart for Israel below, and try to figure out any possible solution, other then getting the Jews out of there. There is no other solution. Israel is not sustainable. I seriously doubt that even most Israelis believe it is. It's just temporary.


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What is this obsession you have with uprooting a whole country? Why do I sense a certain glee from you at the prospect of Israel's demise?


There is no glee. It doesn't effect me one way or the other. It's just a fact. Though it would be nice to stop wasting our tax money on a hopeless cause.


As long as there are Israelis willing to live there, there will be an Israel. And as long as Muslim extremists make themselves enemies of the west, we will finance Israel.


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18 Feb 2014, 2:44 pm

Max you are only saying that because you don't want to give up your house. Well you have to understand people have the same sentiment everywhere that's why it's important to let go of the hate, figure out a way of compensation for the past that is WORKABLE then create the kind of environment that is too valuable to destroy. Most do not want to see lovely cities they toiled to create destroyed with missiles. So, we should work to get Gazans to that point, where they are ready to work with the situation, recognize Israel as a state that isn't going away, make peace with this reality, then start building their prosperity and city. Doesn't this sound MUCH better than what they have now?



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18 Feb 2014, 2:48 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Max you are only saying that because you don't want to give up your house. Well you have to understand people have the same sentiment everywhere that's why it's important to let go of the hate, figure out a way of compensation for the past that is WORKABLE then create the kind of environment that is too valuable to destroy. Most do not want to see lovely cities they toiled to create destroyed with missiles. So, we should work to get Gazans to that point, where they are ready to work with the situation, recognize Israel as a state that isn't going away, make peace with this reality, then start building their prosperity and city. Doesn't this sound MUCH better than what they have now?


Well, it sounds peachy keen to me! :lol:


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18 Feb 2014, 3:34 pm

You cannot get involved in some kind of mob war with entire nations. Each issue is unique and requires its own moral consideration. You cannot unjustly take sides against an entire people because you consider them unfriendly. If they have done something unjust against you then punish the culprits for that, but you cannot oppose an entire nation even when they are right. That is what gangsters do, nations are supposed to have more integrity.

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As long as there are Israelis willing to live there, there will be an Israel. And as long as Muslim extremists make themselves enemies of the west, we will finance Israel.



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18 Feb 2014, 4:52 pm

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Tequila what is your view on Jewish settlers.


Good for them.

Jewish people are perfectly entitled to live in Judea and Samaria - just as Muslim Arabs live in Israel.

Oh, and the vast majority of settlers are not maniacs with guns in the same way that the vast majority of Australians aren't violent drunks.


Not good for them when they're building on Palestinian land (illegal even by Israeli law) so that the Israeli government then starts constructing walls so that the arabs are cut off from their own land.

The border settlers are the absolute worst of the Israelis. They are there for no other reason than to stick two fingers up to the Palestinians and perpetuate the conflict. They just go to prove how Israel isn't interested in a two state solution.


Tequila they are invading and taking over everything that remains of Palestine. They are just stealing land and resources.

They are not living with the arabs, they are building fortified settlements, harassing and driving them out and Israel supports them. Sure it maybe ok for them to immigrate, but that is different from just coming over and claiming land.

thomas81 it's not border settlers, the settlers are building communities all over the west bank.


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18 Feb 2014, 5:21 pm

MR_BOGAN wrote:
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Tequila what is your view on Jewish settlers.


Good for them.

Jewish people are perfectly entitled to live in Judea and Samaria - just as Muslim Arabs live in Israel.

Oh, and the vast majority of settlers are not maniacs with guns in the same way that the vast majority of Australians aren't violent drunks.


Not good for them when they're building on Palestinian land (illegal even by Israeli law) so that the Israeli government then starts constructing walls so that the arabs are cut off from their own land.

The border settlers are the absolute worst of the Israelis. They are there for no other reason than to stick two fingers up to the Palestinians and perpetuate the conflict. They just go to prove how Israel isn't interested in a two state solution.


Tequila they are invading and taking over everything that remains of Palestine. They are just stealing land and resources.

They are not living with the arabs, they are building fortified settlements, harassing and driving them out and Israel supports them. Sure it maybe ok for them to immigrate, but that is different from just coming over and claiming land.

thomas81 it's not border settlers, the settlers are building communities all over the west bank.

What???? No. They already invaded and they took what once belonged to the Jews. Zion. They want to bring all the Jews back to it and they have already successfully reunited millions of Jews with their beloved Zion.



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18 Feb 2014, 6:00 pm

When did that happen?

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What???? No. They already invaded and they took what once belonged to the Jews. Zion. They want to bring all the Jews back to it and they have already successfully reunited millions of Jews with their beloved Zion.



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18 Feb 2014, 6:22 pm

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When did that happen?

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What???? No. They already invaded and they took what once belonged to the Jews. Zion. They want to bring all the Jews back to it and they have already successfully reunited millions of Jews with their beloved Zion.

When the Jews reclaimed Zion.



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18 Feb 2014, 6:25 pm

And when did they lose it?

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When the Jews reclaimed Zion.



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18 Feb 2014, 6:28 pm

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And when did they lose it?

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When the Jews reclaimed Zion.

They abandoned it because of strife and war now they have returned and will live there forever. It is open to all Jews who wish to return it's their homeland. All Jews can return and be free if they wish to.



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18 Feb 2014, 6:31 pm

I asked, when did that happen? Not why it happened.

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They abandoned it because of strife and war now they have returned and will live there forever. It is open to all Jews who wish to return it's their homeland. All Jews can return and be free if they wish to.



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18 Feb 2014, 6:37 pm

hyena wrote:
I asked, when did that happen? Not why it happened.

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They abandoned it because of strife and war now they have returned and will live there forever. It is open to all Jews who wish to return it's their homeland. All Jews can return and be free if they wish to.


That would have been in the 1st century A.D.


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