Halloween costume PC rules: Good idea or[expletive removed]?
wilburforce wrote:
I did a google search for the boy's name + halloween and nothing came up except that article. It is a bit suspicious that no one else anywhere is reporting on it. One would think that kind of stupidity (the school's) would be newsworthy, if it really happened.
While I don't blame you for being skeptical, there are so many stories that never make it to the news. I don't think any of the incidents at my husband's work has and that's involved grenades. But if you look at the twitter account STA Brampton, and the comments, it's pretty clear she's not one for compromises. I am tempted to ask her just to clarify, but based on the comments and this tweet, I'd wager a guess she's not going to let anyone dress as a "culture."
STABramton wrote:
-No masks
-No Full Facepaint
-Dress Code
-No weapons
-Cannot be culturally offensive!
-No Full Facepaint
-Dress Code
-No weapons
-Cannot be culturally offensive!
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kamiyu910 wrote:
wilburforce wrote:
I did a google search for the boy's name + halloween and nothing came up except that article. It is a bit suspicious that no one else anywhere is reporting on it. One would think that kind of stupidity (the school's) would be newsworthy, if it really happened.
While I don't blame you for being skeptical, there are so many stories that never make it to the news. I don't think any of the incidents at my husband's work has and that's involved grenades. But if you look at the twitter account STA Brampton, and the comments, it's pretty clear she's not one for compromises. I am tempted to ask her just to clarify, but based on the comments and this tweet, I'd wager a guess she's not going to let anyone dress as a "culture."
STABramton wrote:
-No masks
-No Full Facepaint
-Dress Code
-No weapons
-Cannot be culturally offensive!
-No Full Facepaint
-Dress Code
-No weapons
-Cannot be culturally offensive!
Is there any activity on the twitter account previous to this incident to indicate that it's a legitimate school-associated account? I don't use twitter and don't have an account with them so I don't know how their service works.
wilburforce wrote:
kamiyu910 wrote:
wilburforce wrote:
I did a google search for the boy's name + halloween and nothing came up except that article. It is a bit suspicious that no one else anywhere is reporting on it. One would think that kind of stupidity (the school's) would be newsworthy, if it really happened.
While I don't blame you for being skeptical, there are so many stories that never make it to the news. I don't think any of the incidents at my husband's work has and that's involved grenades. But if you look at the twitter account STA Brampton, and the comments, it's pretty clear she's not one for compromises. I am tempted to ask her just to clarify, but based on the comments and this tweet, I'd wager a guess she's not going to let anyone dress as a "culture."
STABramton wrote:
-No masks
-No Full Facepaint
-Dress Code
-No weapons
-Cannot be culturally offensive!
-No Full Facepaint
-Dress Code
-No weapons
-Cannot be culturally offensive!
Is there any activity on the twitter account previous to this incident to indicate that it's a legitimate school-associated account? I don't use twitter and don't have an account with them so I don't know how their service works.
Yeah, I checked for that too, just to make sure it wasn't a troll account either. It goes way back. I got bored around March... it's all really boring school stuff (although the trip to Europe sounded cool).
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kamiyu910 wrote:
wilburforce wrote:
kamiyu910 wrote:
wilburforce wrote:
I did a google search for the boy's name + halloween and nothing came up except that article. It is a bit suspicious that no one else anywhere is reporting on it. One would think that kind of stupidity (the school's) would be newsworthy, if it really happened.
While I don't blame you for being skeptical, there are so many stories that never make it to the news. I don't think any of the incidents at my husband's work has and that's involved grenades. But if you look at the twitter account STA Brampton, and the comments, it's pretty clear she's not one for compromises. I am tempted to ask her just to clarify, but based on the comments and this tweet, I'd wager a guess she's not going to let anyone dress as a "culture."
STABramton wrote:
-No masks
-No Full Facepaint
-Dress Code
-No weapons
-Cannot be culturally offensive!
-No Full Facepaint
-Dress Code
-No weapons
-Cannot be culturally offensive!
Is there any activity on the twitter account previous to this incident to indicate that it's a legitimate school-associated account? I don't use twitter and don't have an account with them so I don't know how their service works.
Yeah, I checked for that too, just to make sure it wasn't a troll account either. It goes way back. I got bored around March... it's all really boring school stuff (although the trip to Europe sounded cool).
I still find it extremely suspicious that no one else is writing about it, especially if this is something that is becoming more of an issue that people are talking about in North America--that no one else would pick up the story just seems kind of fishy to me.
XFilesGeek wrote:
As a moderator, this is one of the things I see a lot.
The person who started this thread didn't hesitate to come running to the moderators when someone may a disparaging remark about Southerners.
The person who started this thread didn't hesitate to come running to the moderators when someone may a disparaging remark about Southerners.

So, you're now breaching mod-member privilege in order to smear a member as a hypocrite? Nice, really shows the membership that you've got their best interests at heart, and that they can come to you in confidence, knowing their confidentiality will hold up at least until you want to humiliate them in an argument.
There's also nothing hypocritical about believing in free speech, but when interacting in private spaces that do have restrictions, wanting to see them applied fairly, such as the constant anti-southern sniping that goes unchecked but would be modded in a hot minute if it targeted a different regional culture. That gets old real fast.
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I just read an email from my son's school about Halloween costumes costumes and it read:
Quote:
HALLOWEEN COSTUMES
Halloween parade is tomorrow and we have had many questions about what costumes might be appropriate. For example, no “Scream” costumes. Please make sure that your child’s costume does not cover their face (no masks), is not of a violent nature (no fake blood or gore), and no weapons.
no scary, gory, gross, or demonic costumes
no accessories that are weapons
no excessive make-up
no provocative clothing
no masks (these may be carried, but not worn)
We would like to encourage the students to have fun without being frightened or frightening others.
Halloween parade is tomorrow and we have had many questions about what costumes might be appropriate. For example, no “Scream” costumes. Please make sure that your child’s costume does not cover their face (no masks), is not of a violent nature (no fake blood or gore), and no weapons.
no scary, gory, gross, or demonic costumes
no accessories that are weapons
no excessive make-up
no provocative clothing
no masks (these may be carried, but not worn)
We would like to encourage the students to have fun without being frightened or frightening others.
It's to avoid scaring the little kids and I have no issue with their policy because it's a school and they make the rules and it's no different than a dress code. My son can go as Mario because Super Mario isn't scary and he isn't violent. Last year my son went as Spider Man.
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Dox47 wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
As a moderator, this is one of the things I see a lot.
The person who started this thread didn't hesitate to come running to the moderators when someone may a disparaging remark about Southerners.
The person who started this thread didn't hesitate to come running to the moderators when someone may a disparaging remark about Southerners.

So, you're now breaching mod-member privilege
Okay, I'm aware that many countries have laws regarding confidentiality between say, a doctor and patient, or a lawyer and client. And in the USA, the same holds true for a therapist. I'm pretty sure there are even similar ethics laws for accountants.
But I've never heard of such a thing for a moderator on a private internet forum.
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Dox47 wrote:
So, you're now breaching mod-member privilege in order to smear a member as a hypocrite? Nice, really shows the membership that you've got their best interests at heart, and that they can come to you in confidence, knowing their confidentiality will hold up at least until you want to humiliate them in an argument.
Is it still "smearing" if it's true?
The way I see it, OliveOilMom came in looking for a fight, was extremely rude and hateful to me and other users, accused everyone of "whining" and "crying", like a playground bully; says people are "overreacting" or "making a mountain out of a molehill" when they call her out on it, and then f****d right off when the mods (rightfully) chose not to take her side. And you're going to act like she's somehow a martyr or victim here? She was given every opportunity to have a peaceful discourse. Nobody humiliated her, she did that to herself.
Maybe a more suitable name would be LampOilMom, for how inflammatory and hot-headed her comments are.
Dox47 wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
As a moderator, this is one of the things I see a lot.
The person who started this thread didn't hesitate to come running to the moderators when someone may a disparaging remark about Southerners.
The person who started this thread didn't hesitate to come running to the moderators when someone may a disparaging remark about Southerners.

So, you're now breaching mod-member privilege in order to smear a member as a hypocrite? Nice, really shows the membership that you've got their best interests at heart, and that they can come to you in confidence, knowing their confidentiality will hold up at least until you want to humiliate them in an argument.
There's also nothing hypocritical about believing in free speech, but when interacting in private spaces that do have restrictions, wanting to see them applied fairly, such as the constant anti-southern sniping that goes unchecked but would be modded in a hot minute if it targeted a different regional culture. That gets old real fast.
It wasn't a "private" complaint.
It was posted in the mod attention thread for all the world to see.
*sigh*
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Jacoby wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
How is anybody ever tried to prevent you from expressing your opinion? Provide one example please. Pretty please, I said please! I could dig thru the hundreds maybe of thousands of other examples with the shoe on the other foot because it has and always has been totalitarian language control enforce up on academia and then the rest of society. Free speech does not exist on our college campuses anymore which are ruled by arbitrary kangaroo courts, an off color comment can get you expelled or fired from your job. They're even calling the term 'politically correct' a microaggression now, it's hilarious.
'And call me an extremist for free speech all you want, I'd wear that as a badge. As Goldwater said "extremism is the defense of liberty is no vice!"
'And call me an extremist for free speech all you want, I'd wear that as a badge. As Goldwater said "extremism is the defense of liberty is no vice!"
I hear this crap all the time... Do you have ANY first hand experience with what discourse is like on an actual College Campus?
I do, and I can say, from my experience, there's quite a diversity of opinion and healthy debate about social issues. As long as you can defend your position with logic and facts there's no need to fear reprisals of any sort.
Your position is paranoid fantasy. Really.
Well I am on a college campus right now but just type in "free speech" not even college into the news column on Google and you'll get plenty of results.
Yeah,I'm sure a google search would yield all sorts of hyperbolic claims like the one you made. I'm not interested in that.
Baring a legitimate study on free speech at universities, I'm interested in your first hand experiences.
I don't just hang out on college campuses, I spend my time discussing social policy in Sociology and Social Work departments. These are the very places that give birth to such "PC" concepts as White Privilege...
I'll be the first to admit that Social Work has a definite and EXTREMELY progressive ideology behind it. Just read the NASW code of ethics-- https://www.socialworkers.org/pubs/code/code.asp
However, even in Social Work departments, the emphasis is not on ideological conformity, the emphasis is on self awareness and identifying areas where one's personal values conflict with the code. Students are never pressured to change their values, but simply to avoid clients and situations that they cannot ethically service. For example, many conservative/religious students would avoid working with LGBT client systems. In my case, I could never ethically serve traditional Muslim clients because of the way those clients oppress women and children (in my opinion).
I've never been penalized for my personal opinion about traditional Muslims, and I've never seen religious students sanctioned because of their views on LGBT clients. They might be criticized by other students during discussions, but they are never punished for expressing their opinions.
Here is an interesting current event related to free speech on college campuses: An official response to an op ed in a student newspaper that criticized the Black Lives Matter movement...
http://www.academia.org/wesleyan-univer ... es-matter/
Quote:
[T]he president of Wesleyan, Michael Roth, sent out an “open letter” of his own in a blog post co-signed by Provost Joyce Jacobsen and Antonio Farias, Vice-President for Equity and Inclusion. “Some students not only have expressed their disagreement with the op-ed but have demanded apologies, a retraction and have even harassed the author and the newspaper’s editors,” they stated. “Some are claiming that the op-ed was less speech than action: it caused harm and made people of color feel unsafe.”
“Debates can raise intense emotions, but that doesn’t mean that we should demand ideological conformity because people are made uncomfortable. As members of a university community, we always have the right to respond with our own opinions, but there is no right not to be offended. We certainly have no right to harass people because we don’t like their views. Censorship diminishes true diversity of thinking; vigorous debate enlivens and instructs."
“Debates can raise intense emotions, but that doesn’t mean that we should demand ideological conformity because people are made uncomfortable. As members of a university community, we always have the right to respond with our own opinions, but there is no right not to be offended. We certainly have no right to harass people because we don’t like their views. Censorship diminishes true diversity of thinking; vigorous debate enlivens and instructs."
This is a pretty well documented, current free speech controversy. There were some extreme reactions from other students to this op ed, but the official reaction seems pretty measured and reasonable--no kangaroo courtsor PC totalitarianism here...
Again, you assertions seem pretty extraordinary. Can you back them up with personal experiences and well documented reports?
Or is this all just culture war hyperbolic propaganda?
Show me the institutional totalitarianism and kangaroo courts, because I cannot find them on my own.
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Jacoby wrote:
Spent all that time writing when you could of been googling. I have no interest in being personally challenged, there are plenty of "well documented reports" for you to choose from. As for my 1st hand experience at school; I just go to class, behave, and leave.
Wow, that's disappointing. You are one of the few posters here who seemed to be more interested in dialectic (actually finding a truth) than debate (simply defending an entrenched position).
I expected more/better from you.

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