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16 Feb 2016, 4:42 pm
nurseangela wrote:
Hopper wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
If things had been done the correct way in the first place - secure the scene, hold the body, have an actual medical examiner proclaim death after seeing the body, autopsy, toxicology - everything above board. Toxicology is ruined with the hasty embalming that they thought was so necessary. An actual person sometimes waits 3 or more days to be embalmed - that was the first thing that made me think they were hiding something. That's why I will really think its murder if the guy gets cremated - that will be total destruction of evidence.
So you'd believe a medical examiner and pathologist and autopsy/toxicology results where you don't the various offical bodies and procedures that have so far been used? Given the conspiracy so far has taken in at least the attending police, Scalia's family and whoever called for no autopsy, what reason is there to suppose it wouldn't a medical examiner or pathologist?
Frankly, this sounds paranoid. The only reason to suspect murder is because you suspect murder. There is no a priori reason to do so. You think it's the sort of thing Obama would do, therefore Obama did it.
Scalia dies. The attending police say there's no evidence of foul play, and we know he was at least considered 'too weak' for surgery. His family don't want an autopsy (presumably they would be more aware than anyone about possible political shenanigans), and it is legally necessary for him to be embalmed if his body is to be transported.
All the facts are covered by non-conspiratorial reasons. There is no need to invoke a conspiracy, unless one is already inclined to do so. And if one is inclined to invoke a conspiracy, there is rarely anything that can change one's mind.
Scalia dies. The attending police say there's no evidence of foul play, and we know he was at least considered 'too weak' for surgery. His family don't want an autopsy (presumably they would be more aware than anyone about possible political shenanigans), and it is legally necessary for him to be embalmed if his body is to be transported.
Scalia found dead in repose with a pillow over his head with unruffled sheets. Attending US Marshall (appointed by Obama) says there is no foul play. How do we know that Scalia was "too weak for surgery"? We have not heard from Scalia's personal physician - only from some Justice of the Peace (named Cinderela
) who said that's what she heard over the phone during a conversation with Scalia's personal doctor. Even if it is Texas law that a Justice of the Peace can confirm death, this Cinderela person never saw the body and has no medical expertise. She also said that Scalia first died of "Myocardial Infarction" then changed it the next day to "Natural Causes". If you don't see anything wrong with this picture, I have nothing further to say. What I will say is make sure you never die in Texas.Actually, CNN has just been discussing conspiracy theories about Scalia's death, and they've said the pillow was not actually found over his face, but on part of his head. That pillow-over-the-face thing was a bit of misinformation the right ran with.
16 Feb 2016, 4:45 pm
nurseangela wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
pcuser wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
William Gheen, president of the Americans for Legal Immigration political action committee, noted the media’s “rush” to proclaim Scalia’s death in a rented room in a resort in Texas as either “natural causes” or heart attack within hours of the discovery of his body.
“Anytime a head of state, member of Congress, or the most conservative member of the U.S. Supreme Court is found dead, an extensive autopsy and toxicology examination should be both immediate and mandatory,” said Gheen. “The horrid reaction and comments about his death expressed by many liberals online illustrate that Scalia was hated by many people. His death hands the power of the Supreme Court to the modern left for the first time in American history. The court can now vote, even without a replacement of Scalia, to radically change the United States of America..”
“Scalia’s death means the Supreme Court is now very likely to rubber stamp Obama’s unconstitutional amnesty orders, tear down Republican drawn districts in many states including North Carolina, and take deep left turns on abortion, gun rights, or anything the liberals have ever dreamed of. Scalia was a solid vote against Obama’s immigration orders to be decided by April of this year. We do not contend there is a conspiracy, we contend that there should be no doubts, and the way authorities and the media are rushing conclusions will leave major doubts and legitimate concerns about a death that could lead to a radical political transformation of America to the left.”
“Anytime a head of state, member of Congress, or the most conservative member of the U.S. Supreme Court is found dead, an extensive autopsy and toxicology examination should be both immediate and mandatory,” said Gheen. “The horrid reaction and comments about his death expressed by many liberals online illustrate that Scalia was hated by many people. His death hands the power of the Supreme Court to the modern left for the first time in American history. The court can now vote, even without a replacement of Scalia, to radically change the United States of America..”
“Scalia’s death means the Supreme Court is now very likely to rubber stamp Obama’s unconstitutional amnesty orders, tear down Republican drawn districts in many states including North Carolina, and take deep left turns on abortion, gun rights, or anything the liberals have ever dreamed of. Scalia was a solid vote against Obama’s immigration orders to be decided by April of this year. We do not contend there is a conspiracy, we contend that there should be no doubts, and the way authorities and the media are rushing conclusions will leave major doubts and legitimate concerns about a death that could lead to a radical political transformation of America to the left.”
nurseangela, you really need to take your antipsychotic meds...
Next.
Another conservative here uses that term.Are you a copy cat?
You must mean Mr. R. We're actually like twins and think quite a bit the same about things. Copy cat? Not really. We just think the same. Does that bother you?
Why would it?
16 Feb 2016, 4:45 pm
16 Feb 2016, 4:51 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Hopper wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
If things had been done the correct way in the first place - secure the scene, hold the body, have an actual medical examiner proclaim death after seeing the body, autopsy, toxicology - everything above board. Toxicology is ruined with the hasty embalming that they thought was so necessary. An actual person sometimes waits 3 or more days to be embalmed - that was the first thing that made me think they were hiding something. That's why I will really think its murder if the guy gets cremated - that will be total destruction of evidence.
So you'd believe a medical examiner and pathologist and autopsy/toxicology results where you don't the various offical bodies and procedures that have so far been used? Given the conspiracy so far has taken in at least the attending police, Scalia's family and whoever called for no autopsy, what reason is there to suppose it wouldn't a medical examiner or pathologist?
Frankly, this sounds paranoid. The only reason to suspect murder is because you suspect murder. There is no a priori reason to do so. You think it's the sort of thing Obama would do, therefore Obama did it.
Scalia dies. The attending police say there's no evidence of foul play, and we know he was at least considered 'too weak' for surgery. His family don't want an autopsy (presumably they would be more aware than anyone about possible political shenanigans), and it is legally necessary for him to be embalmed if his body is to be transported.
All the facts are covered by non-conspiratorial reasons. There is no need to invoke a conspiracy, unless one is already inclined to do so. And if one is inclined to invoke a conspiracy, there is rarely anything that can change one's mind.
Scalia dies. The attending police say there's no evidence of foul play, and we know he was at least considered 'too weak' for surgery. His family don't want an autopsy (presumably they would be more aware than anyone about possible political shenanigans), and it is legally necessary for him to be embalmed if his body is to be transported.
Scalia found dead in repose with a pillow over his head with unruffled sheets. Attending US Marshall (appointed by Obama) says there is no foul play. How do we know that Scalia was "too weak for surgery"? We have not heard from Scalia's personal physician - only from some Justice of the Peace (named Cinderela
) who said that's what she heard over the phone during a conversation with Scalia's personal doctor. Even if it is Texas law that a Justice of the Peace can confirm death, this Cinderela person never saw the body and has no medical expertise. She also said that Scalia first died of "Myocardial Infarction" then changed it the next day to "Natural Causes". If you don't see anything wrong with this picture, I have nothing further to say. What I will say is make sure you never die in Texas.Actually, CNN has just been discussing conspiracy theories about Scalia's death, and they've said the pillow was not actually found over his face, but on part of his head. That pillow-over-the-face thing was a bit of misinformation the right ran with.
I found the article you are speaking about. It says this:
I think enough disclosures were made and what I said precisely was accurate. He had a pillow over his head, not over his face as some have been saying," John Poindexter, owner of the Cibolo Creek Ranch, where Scalia was found, told CNN over the phone. "The pillow was against the headboard and over his head when he was discovered. He looked like someone who had had a restful night's sleep. There was no evidence of anything else."
This was also in that same article:
The former head of criminal investigations for the Washington, D.C., police, poured fuel on the conspiracy theory fire.
"As a former homicide commander, I am stunned that no autopsy was ordered for Justice Scalia," William O. Ritchie wrote in a Facebook post on Sunday, according to reports. After seeking to cast doubt on the conclusion of the deputy U.S. marshals who responded to a call from the ranch, he added, "My gut tells me there is something fishy going on in Texas."
Ritchie told CNN on Tuesday that there is still time to act because Scalia isn't lying in repose at the Supreme Court until Friday and his funeral isn't until Saturday.
"At least you have a trained medical professional look and make an examination," Ritchie said. "There is sufficient time to do that."
*** They still have time to run an autopsy.
Kraichgauer
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16 Feb 2016, 4:55 pm
nurseangela wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Hopper wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
If things had been done the correct way in the first place - secure the scene, hold the body, have an actual medical examiner proclaim death after seeing the body, autopsy, toxicology - everything above board. Toxicology is ruined with the hasty embalming that they thought was so necessary. An actual person sometimes waits 3 or more days to be embalmed - that was the first thing that made me think they were hiding something. That's why I will really think its murder if the guy gets cremated - that will be total destruction of evidence.
So you'd believe a medical examiner and pathologist and autopsy/toxicology results where you don't the various offical bodies and procedures that have so far been used? Given the conspiracy so far has taken in at least the attending police, Scalia's family and whoever called for no autopsy, what reason is there to suppose it wouldn't a medical examiner or pathologist?
Frankly, this sounds paranoid. The only reason to suspect murder is because you suspect murder. There is no a priori reason to do so. You think it's the sort of thing Obama would do, therefore Obama did it.
Scalia dies. The attending police say there's no evidence of foul play, and we know he was at least considered 'too weak' for surgery. His family don't want an autopsy (presumably they would be more aware than anyone about possible political shenanigans), and it is legally necessary for him to be embalmed if his body is to be transported.
All the facts are covered by non-conspiratorial reasons. There is no need to invoke a conspiracy, unless one is already inclined to do so. And if one is inclined to invoke a conspiracy, there is rarely anything that can change one's mind.
Scalia dies. The attending police say there's no evidence of foul play, and we know he was at least considered 'too weak' for surgery. His family don't want an autopsy (presumably they would be more aware than anyone about possible political shenanigans), and it is legally necessary for him to be embalmed if his body is to be transported.
Scalia found dead in repose with a pillow over his head with unruffled sheets. Attending US Marshall (appointed by Obama) says there is no foul play. How do we know that Scalia was "too weak for surgery"? We have not heard from Scalia's personal physician - only from some Justice of the Peace (named Cinderela
) who said that's what she heard over the phone during a conversation with Scalia's personal doctor. Even if it is Texas law that a Justice of the Peace can confirm death, this Cinderela person never saw the body and has no medical expertise. She also said that Scalia first died of "Myocardial Infarction" then changed it the next day to "Natural Causes". If you don't see anything wrong with this picture, I have nothing further to say. What I will say is make sure you never die in Texas.Actually, CNN has just been discussing conspiracy theories about Scalia's death, and they've said the pillow was not actually found over his face, but on part of his head. That pillow-over-the-face thing was a bit of misinformation the right ran with.
I found the article you are speaking about. It says this:
I think enough disclosures were made and what I said precisely was accurate. He had a pillow over his head, not over his face as some have been saying," John Poindexter, owner of the Cibolo Creek Ranch, where Scalia was found, told CNN over the phone. "The pillow was against the headboard and over his head when he was discovered. He looked like someone who had had a restful night's sleep. There was no evidence of anything else."
This was also in that same article:
The former head of criminal investigations for the Washington, D.C., police, poured fuel on the conspiracy theory fire.
"As a former homicide commander, I am stunned that no autopsy was ordered for Justice Scalia," William O. Ritchie wrote in a Facebook post on Sunday, according to reports. After seeking to cast doubt on the conclusion of the deputy U.S. marshals who responded to a call from the ranch, he added, "My gut tells me there is something fishy going on in Texas."
Ritchie told CNN on Tuesday that there is still time to act because Scalia isn't lying in repose at the Supreme Court until Friday and his funeral isn't until Saturday.
"At least you have a trained medical professional look and make an examination," Ritchie said. "There is sufficient time to do that."
*** They still have time to run an autopsy.
And I sincerely hope they conduct an autopsy, too. That way, it will be demonstrated that in this case, there's no shooter on the grassy knoll.
16 Feb 2016, 4:56 pm
More ad hominem. 
16 Feb 2016, 5:01 pm
AspieUtah wrote:
More ad hominem.
Calling Obama "Asswipe" instead of his actual name isn't ad hominem though, just really childish.
16 Feb 2016, 5:03 pm
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16 Feb 2016, 5:26 pm
MDD123 wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Asswipe now conducting news conference for replacing Justice Scalia.
Like your other threads, this is just a megaphone for your emotional instability.
Resorting to personal attacks are we?
16 Feb 2016, 5:28 pm
nurseangela wrote:
MDD123 wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Asswipe now conducting news conference for replacing Justice Scalia.
Like your other threads, this is just a megaphone for your emotional instability.
I'm actually being nice. Emotional instability? Is that a personal stab? You guys can call anyone on the Right any name you want and when the Right does it to your King, you say they have "emotional instability". Good one.
Next.
Raptor wrote:
Resorting to personal attacks are we?
you two and your tone arguments are the reason threads go nowhere.
Tone arguments are pointless and don't add anything to a discussion.
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16 Feb 2016, 5:30 pm
Raptor wrote:
MDD123 wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Asswipe now conducting news conference for replacing Justice Scalia.
Like your other threads, this is just a megaphone for your emotional instability.
Resorting to personal attacks are we?
Well, Howdy Mr. R! It's been awhile since I talked to you - yesterday I think. Good seeing you!
