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13 Mar 2018, 5:32 am

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Yeah. The population of the UK is at least 95% Muslim now and all of them are on benefits /sarcasm


Its actually about 5% which is shockingly high and will continue to grow as they have more children and we continue to allow more in.


Why is that shocking? Also why focus on the % of just 1 religion in the UK as if it is negative?


Because we have 5% of the population who believes that the Prophet Muhammad was morally perfect. Demography effects democracy and if you look at countries that have high amounts of Muslims they are not good places.


The Muslims I have known don't think PM was morally perfect. Just like other religions there are those that follow is strictly and those that follow it in a more casual manner.


Are they like those Vegan who eat meat?


No its not, they are Muslims who's religion is followed fairly casually like Christians who's religion is followed in a fairly casually.

If you were to read the Daily Mail you would think all Muslims are hardliners but reality is very different. We had a work event on Friday in London where we finished in a pub and had a free bar for a couple of hours. The 2 Muslims in the team were both drinking beer. The Mail would make you believe this simply does not exist.


You cannot follow Christianity or Islam fairly casually you either believe or you don't. Christians have a loophole in that they believe the Bible was inspired by God. Muslims do not Muslims believe the Quran is the perfect word of God if they do not believe this then they are not Muslim.


It's not for you to say whether someone is Christian or Muslim, it is for the individual alone and no one else.

And the idea religions cannot be followed in a casual manner is just tin foil hat territory.

You sound like you have been well and truly Faraged.


Yes I could say I was a Christian but I don't believe in God and Jesus was actually a magic donkey sent here by aliens to control us but that is not Christianity.


Some people attend their house of worship on a regular basis, some don't, some pray daily, some don't.

No wonder you are so terrified of Muslims if you think all of them are hardliners who believe the original text! Just stop reading the hateful right wing propaganda designed to convince you of that and see things for how they really are.



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13 Mar 2018, 5:33 am

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So should you deport the Muslims who commit crimes or just all of them?


I would stop Muslim immigration completely, deport the criminal element and stop bending over backwards to them.

What if that stopped the immigration of apostates who are at risk of getting killed by Muslims for being apostates?

Since they're at risk of getting killed they can't publically say they're not Muslim until after the aeroplane lands so they'd be covered by the blanket Muslim ban.


Non Muslims would be allowed but the priority of a nation is not worry about foreigner first.

Ok, what about Muslims who are fleeing from being honour killed?


What about the millions of people who are starving to death should we let them in too?

You can if you want but I think they'd rather have some food.


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13 Mar 2018, 5:36 am

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So should you deport the Muslims who commit crimes or just all of them?

Apparently he wants "all" of them given the boot



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13 Mar 2018, 5:37 am

Biscuitman wrote:
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Yeah. The population of the UK is at least 95% Muslim now and all of them are on benefits /sarcasm


Its actually about 5% which is shockingly high and will continue to grow as they have more children and we continue to allow more in.


Why is that shocking? Also why focus on the % of just 1 religion in the UK as if it is negative?


Because we have 5% of the population who believes that the Prophet Muhammad was morally perfect. Demography effects democracy and if you look at countries that have high amounts of Muslims they are not good places.


The Muslims I have known don't think PM was morally perfect. Just like other religions there are those that follow is strictly and those that follow it in a more casual manner.


Are they like those Vegan who eat meat?


No its not, they are Muslims who's religion is followed fairly casually like Christians who's religion is followed in a fairly casually.

If you were to read the Daily Mail you would think all Muslims are hardliners but reality is very different. We had a work event on Friday in London where we finished in a pub and had a free bar for a couple of hours. The 2 Muslims in the team were both drinking beer. The Mail would make you believe this simply does not exist.


You cannot follow Christianity or Islam fairly casually you either believe or you don't. Christians have a loophole in that they believe the Bible was inspired by God. Muslims do not Muslims believe the Quran is the perfect word of God if they do not believe this then they are not Muslim.


It's not for you to say whether someone is Christian or Muslim, it is for the individual alone and no one else.

And the idea religions cannot be followed in a casual manner is just tin foil hat territory.

You sound like you have been well and truly Faraged.


Yes I could say I was a Christian but I don't believe in God and Jesus was actually a magic donkey sent here by aliens to control us but that is not Christianity.


Some people attend their house of worship on a regular basis, some don't, some pray daily, some don't.

No wonder you are so terrified of Muslims if you think all of them are hardliners who believe the original text! Just stop reading the hateful right wing propaganda designed to convince you of that and see things for how they really are.

He says all Muslims are this or all Muslims are that, yet he accuses them of thinking of absolutes :lol:


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13 Mar 2018, 5:38 am

Biscuitman wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
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Yeah. The population of the UK is at least 95% Muslim now and all of them are on benefits /sarcasm


Its actually about 5% which is shockingly high and will continue to grow as they have more children and we continue to allow more in.


Why is that shocking? Also why focus on the % of just 1 religion in the UK as if it is negative?


Because we have 5% of the population who believes that the Prophet Muhammad was morally perfect. Demography effects democracy and if you look at countries that have high amounts of Muslims they are not good places.


The Muslims I have known don't think PM was morally perfect. Just like other religions there are those that follow is strictly and those that follow it in a more casual manner.


Are they like those Vegan who eat meat?


No its not, they are Muslims who's religion is followed fairly casually like Christians who's religion is followed in a fairly casually.

If you were to read the Daily Mail you would think all Muslims are hardliners but reality is very different. We had a work event on Friday in London where we finished in a pub and had a free bar for a couple of hours. The 2 Muslims in the team were both drinking beer. The Mail would make you believe this simply does not exist.


You cannot follow Christianity or Islam fairly casually you either believe or you don't. Christians have a loophole in that they believe the Bible was inspired by God. Muslims do not Muslims believe the Quran is the perfect word of God if they do not believe this then they are not Muslim.


It's not for you to say whether someone is Christian or Muslim, it is for the individual alone and no one else.

And the idea religions cannot be followed in a casual manner is just tin foil hat territory.

You sound like you have been well and truly Faraged.


Yes I could say I was a Christian but I don't believe in God and Jesus was actually a magic donkey sent here by aliens to control us but that is not Christianity.


Some people attend their house of worship on a regular basis, some don't, some pray daily, some don't.

No wonder you are so terrified of Muslims if you think all of them are hardliners who believe the original text! Just stop reading the hateful right wing propaganda designed to convince you of that and see things for how they really are.


No The hardliners are the only true Muslims.



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13 Mar 2018, 5:40 am

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No The hardliners are the only true Muslims.


That is true. Luckily orthodoxy isn't popular in Christianity either otherwise we'd all be like the Amish



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13 Mar 2018, 5:41 am

Daniel89 wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
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Daniel89 wrote:
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Daniel89 wrote:
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Yeah. The population of the UK is at least 95% Muslim now and all of them are on benefits /sarcasm


Its actually about 5% which is shockingly high and will continue to grow as they have more children and we continue to allow more in.


Why is that shocking? Also why focus on the % of just 1 religion in the UK as if it is negative?


Because we have 5% of the population who believes that the Prophet Muhammad was morally perfect. Demography effects democracy and if you look at countries that have high amounts of Muslims they are not good places.


The Muslims I have known don't think PM was morally perfect. Just like other religions there are those that follow is strictly and those that follow it in a more casual manner.


Are they like those Vegan who eat meat?


No its not, they are Muslims who's religion is followed fairly casually like Christians who's religion is followed in a fairly casually.

If you were to read the Daily Mail you would think all Muslims are hardliners but reality is very different. We had a work event on Friday in London where we finished in a pub and had a free bar for a couple of hours. The 2 Muslims in the team were both drinking beer. The Mail would make you believe this simply does not exist.


You cannot follow Christianity or Islam fairly casually you either believe or you don't. Christians have a loophole in that they believe the Bible was inspired by God. Muslims do not Muslims believe the Quran is the perfect word of God if they do not believe this then they are not Muslim.


It's not for you to say whether someone is Christian or Muslim, it is for the individual alone and no one else.

And the idea religions cannot be followed in a casual manner is just tin foil hat territory.

You sound like you have been well and truly Faraged.


Yes I could say I was a Christian but I don't believe in God and Jesus was actually a magic donkey sent here by aliens to control us but that is not Christianity.


Some people attend their house of worship on a regular basis, some don't, some pray daily, some don't.

No wonder you are so terrified of Muslims if you think all of them are hardliners who believe the original text! Just stop reading the hateful right wing propaganda designed to convince you of that and see things for how they really are.


No The hardliners are the only true Muslims.


I cannot even begin to contemplate the sheer level of arrogance someone must have to think that they get to dictate to millions of people whether they are Muslims or not.



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13 Mar 2018, 5:46 am

Biscuitman wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
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Biscuitman wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
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Daniel89 wrote:
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RetroGamer87 wrote:
Yeah. The population of the UK is at least 95% Muslim now and all of them are on benefits /sarcasm


Its actually about 5% which is shockingly high and will continue to grow as they have more children and we continue to allow more in.


Why is that shocking? Also why focus on the % of just 1 religion in the UK as if it is negative?


Because we have 5% of the population who believes that the Prophet Muhammad was morally perfect. Demography effects democracy and if you look at countries that have high amounts of Muslims they are not good places.


The Muslims I have known don't think PM was morally perfect. Just like other religions there are those that follow is strictly and those that follow it in a more casual manner.


Are they like those Vegan who eat meat?


No its not, they are Muslims who's religion is followed fairly casually like Christians who's religion is followed in a fairly casually.

If you were to read the Daily Mail you would think all Muslims are hardliners but reality is very different. We had a work event on Friday in London where we finished in a pub and had a free bar for a couple of hours. The 2 Muslims in the team were both drinking beer. The Mail would make you believe this simply does not exist.


You cannot follow Christianity or Islam fairly casually you either believe or you don't. Christians have a loophole in that they believe the Bible was inspired by God. Muslims do not Muslims believe the Quran is the perfect word of God if they do not believe this then they are not Muslim.


It's not for you to say whether someone is Christian or Muslim, it is for the individual alone and no one else.

And the idea religions cannot be followed in a casual manner is just tin foil hat territory.

You sound like you have been well and truly Faraged.


Yes I could say I was a Christian but I don't believe in God and Jesus was actually a magic donkey sent here by aliens to control us but that is not Christianity.


Some people attend their house of worship on a regular basis, some don't, some pray daily, some don't.

No wonder you are so terrified of Muslims if you think all of them are hardliners who believe the original text! Just stop reading the hateful right wing propaganda designed to convince you of that and see things for how they really are.


No The hardliners are the only true Muslims.


I cannot even begin to contemplate the sheer level of arrogance someone must have to think that they get to dictate to millions of people whether they are Muslims or not.


I cannot contemplate the sheer level of arrogance of someone who worships a God yet picks and chooses his commands.



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13 Mar 2018, 5:51 am

A few years ago, a muslim man was convicted and sent to prison for raping a 14 year old girl. He was sentenced to 4 years in prison followed by deportation back to Afghanistan. While in prison, he claims to now have converted to Christianity. Suddenly he can't be deported, because apostates risk getting killed in Afghanistan. When questioned, he couldn't answer even the most basic questions regarding the Christian faith. How genuine do you think his conversion was, seeing as how apparently the only criterion for being a thing is saying that you are that thing?


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13 Mar 2018, 5:54 am

Daniel89 wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Yeah. The population of the UK is at least 95% Muslim now and all of them are on benefits /sarcasm


Its actually about 5% which is shockingly high and will continue to grow as they have more children and we continue to allow more in.


Why is that shocking? Also why focus on the % of just 1 religion in the UK as if it is negative?


Because we have 5% of the population who believes that the Prophet Muhammad was morally perfect. Demography effects democracy and if you look at countries that have high amounts of Muslims they are not good places.


The Muslims I have known don't think PM was morally perfect. Just like other religions there are those that follow is strictly and those that follow it in a more casual manner.


Are they like those Vegan who eat meat?


No its not, they are Muslims who's religion is followed fairly casually like Christians who's religion is followed in a fairly casually.

If you were to read the Daily Mail you would think all Muslims are hardliners but reality is very different. We had a work event on Friday in London where we finished in a pub and had a free bar for a couple of hours. The 2 Muslims in the team were both drinking beer. The Mail would make you believe this simply does not exist.


You cannot follow Christianity or Islam fairly casually you either believe or you don't. Christians have a loophole in that they believe the Bible was inspired by God. Muslims do not Muslims believe the Quran is the perfect word of God if they do not believe this then they are not Muslim.


It's not for you to say whether someone is Christian or Muslim, it is for the individual alone and no one else.

And the idea religions cannot be followed in a casual manner is just tin foil hat territory.

You sound like you have been well and truly Faraged.


Yes I could say I was a Christian but I don't believe in God and Jesus was actually a magic donkey sent here by aliens to control us but that is not Christianity.


Some people attend their house of worship on a regular basis, some don't, some pray daily, some don't.

No wonder you are so terrified of Muslims if you think all of them are hardliners who believe the original text! Just stop reading the hateful right wing propaganda designed to convince you of that and see things for how they really are.


No The hardliners are the only true Muslims.

Will you let the non-hardliners in then?


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13 Mar 2018, 5:59 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Yeah. The population of the UK is at least 95% Muslim now and all of them are on benefits /sarcasm


Its actually about 5% which is shockingly high and will continue to grow as they have more children and we continue to allow more in.


Why is that shocking? Also why focus on the % of just 1 religion in the UK as if it is negative?


Because we have 5% of the population who believes that the Prophet Muhammad was morally perfect. Demography effects democracy and if you look at countries that have high amounts of Muslims they are not good places.


The Muslims I have known don't think PM was morally perfect. Just like other religions there are those that follow is strictly and those that follow it in a more casual manner.


Are they like those Vegan who eat meat?


No its not, they are Muslims who's religion is followed fairly casually like Christians who's religion is followed in a fairly casually.

If you were to read the Daily Mail you would think all Muslims are hardliners but reality is very different. We had a work event on Friday in London where we finished in a pub and had a free bar for a couple of hours. The 2 Muslims in the team were both drinking beer. The Mail would make you believe this simply does not exist.


You cannot follow Christianity or Islam fairly casually you either believe or you don't. Christians have a loophole in that they believe the Bible was inspired by God. Muslims do not Muslims believe the Quran is the perfect word of God if they do not believe this then they are not Muslim.


It's not for you to say whether someone is Christian or Muslim, it is for the individual alone and no one else.

And the idea religions cannot be followed in a casual manner is just tin foil hat territory.

You sound like you have been well and truly Faraged.


Yes I could say I was a Christian but I don't believe in God and Jesus was actually a magic donkey sent here by aliens to control us but that is not Christianity.


Some people attend their house of worship on a regular basis, some don't, some pray daily, some don't.

No wonder you are so terrified of Muslims if you think all of them are hardliners who believe the original text! Just stop reading the hateful right wing propaganda designed to convince you of that and see things for how they really are.


No The hardliners are the only true Muslims.

Will you let the non-hardliners in then?


If they accept they are not Muslims and abandon Islam then I would be against a few of them coming over. If someone goes round calling themselves a Nazi yet do not hate Jews or other races they are clearly not a Nazi but are promoting Nazism by making it seem more reasonable.



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Because our politicians imported millions of people into our countries without asking us. Now that they are here they are saying that the native white population are beneficiaries of "white privilege", we are losing our freedoms because of them, we have gangs of Muslims here in the UK raping children and the police covering it up. There was a 14 year old boy in I think Germany who was raped by the refugee didn't get punished because he claimed not to understand the word for no. The far right will continue to rise across Europe.


An example of where the medicine is worse than the disease...

Neither really qualifies as a medicine, just that the two reliably followed in sequence.

One of the more educated things I've heard about fascism in general is that it's something like a cultural immune response and it centers around disgust. Weimar was collapsed under the Treaty of Versailles enforced by western Europe, the living conditions were reminiscent of how Venezuela is right now, and to top it off communism was all the rage since everyone kept hearing just how well Lenin and Stalin were bringing things together and making the egalitarian society of the future (or at least the they kept what was happening well under wraps and all too many people bolstered their beliefs with that information gap).

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what happened in Germany. In fact I think Italy's the more interesting story because there appears to have been a different kind of progression without nearly as much duress and it hardly ever seems to get talked about, which worries me because if anything it's probably the much more accurate description of what fascism ends up being under more usual circumstances (not good I'm sure but the unfolding would be really important to understand for the lack of artificial crisis).

It never bodes well when a country (or union) has politicians telling the public that they're going to do whatever they want to do and any objection, no matter how sensible, means you're racist. In fact I could hardly think of something that would more quickly make enough desperate but relatively macho sorts feel like their future or their children's future will be destroyed if they don't take matters into their own hands (and to a degree they're probably even right! - the problem isn't that they're doing something, but as a populist reaction they'll be chasing whatever's most visible and easy to understand). When life gets intolerable people stop being politic and start getting pragmatic, and if both the far left and far right start promising real change that's exactly where they go.


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Fascist

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__1. A derogatory term liberals and conservatives use to insult each other.
__2. Someone who disagrees with me.


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Fascist

Noun

__1. A derogatory term liberals and conservatives use to insult each other.
__2. Someone who disagrees with me.


Fascism is very well-defined, and is neither of the above.

It was originally known as corporatism, where the State and private corporations act to achieve the interests of the State and private corporations. In other words, it is capitalist economy with heavy state influence over people's lives.

The heavy state influence manifest in personal freedom being suppressed. This can be done through heavy use of consription, up-bringing by the state, and the extermination of those with defects like mental illnesses, disabilities or other issues.



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Fascist

Noun

__1. A derogatory term liberals and conservatives use to insult each other.
__2. Someone who disagrees with me.


Fascism is very well-defined, and is neither of the above.


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The joke is that those "definitions" describe how the term is of used on the internet.


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Honestly I think at this point Fascist has two meanings the original Italian one and the one that just means Authoritarian big government. Its like the term luddite we use this as an insult too now even though it was a political movement.