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It's fine to correct me, that doesn't bother me. In a democratic society, I just don't have the faith you have, not even in my country. Information that guides peoples votes can get distorted, corruption is always lurking, I don't believe courts are a garuntee to prevent crooked laws from being passed, people in politics often help themselves by payoffs. Just look at Americas central banking system, it's in our constitution that congress is supossed to produce currency and it wouldn't have interest rates if they did, a new article was wrote in to basically line the pockets of wealthy individuals. We will just have to disagree on the part that corruption can't override a democratic system. You give some lead way for that, it gets really hectic as population increases and media outlets distort facts and information, a lot of people usually end up focusing on living rather than keeping their government in check. Time will surely tell, I hope I'm wrong but I'm always aware corruption is always lurking. Hell, we have people suggesting we should have open borders and suggesting that undocumented people help our economy. If it's anti-Trump, that's all that seems to matter to these people no matter how ridiculous the argument is.

The courts don't exist to prevent laws from being passed, they exist at least in part to challenge already written and implemented laws. And I never said corruption can't be a problem in a democratic system, just that there are many institutions in place (like courts, and election processes) that can be used to challenge corruption in a democratic system. That's what makes it the best system we have come up with to date.

Yes I know, I agreed with you and that part. That's what I meant by 'You gave lead way for that'. We never know what will happen in the future and because hate speech can't be clearly defined it is always subject to change. You could try to stick specifically to racism, but discrimination is to tricky to uphold, the religious man or a group of individuals that others dislike. That's been the big fall back, how to determine how exactly is hate speech defined. People have moved to the US from Canada specifically because of the limitations on speech(Steven Crowder), more than likely many others exist. Addressing someone by their biological sex has also become illegal in Canada. Maybe some find that disrespectful, but it is not hateful to recognize biological sex.

Let me clarify that I do mostly agree with you. I just don't see where hate speech has a clear definition, people can be offend over just about anything. As popular belief changes, laws like that will change also, I don't see courts going against popular belief on something as fuzzy as 'what is considered hate speech'. For example, to miss-gender someone in Canada can land you in jail. Identifying someone's biological sex is not discrimination, it doesn't mean you are hating on someone, yet simply means you are recognizing their biological sex(which is a scientific fact).

How I agree with you is I understand things exist to challenge corruption and also understand it's the best type of system to date. All systems evolve, who knows where that evolution may take it.

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I really don't want to have another discussion with you about sex and gender, since you don't seem to have taken much in from the last discussion on that topic. So I'm going to bow out now.

Actually I learned a lot on the subject but I completely understand. I don't really wish to discuss it either, because people are having trouble drawing that distinct line to the point where I may get in trouble for simply talking about it, I posted a question in the moderator help section asking what specifically I said could be considered as discrimination on trans-genders and have been 2 days without an answer. That is the problem with hate speech not having a clear line, subjects become banned from discussion. The way I personally see it was all I was doing was having concerns about children and even standing up for gays and trans-women who choose to keep their penis, the irony being standing up for particular trans-women is considered trans-phobic.

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If a biological woman wants to identify as a man, I’ll call him a “he.” No skin off my back.

I don’t believe there is any danger in transgenderism “taking over.”

I will too, that's the confusing part to me, I never said I wouldn't, I just made the distinction that it's not hateful to recognize biological sex. It just seems biological sex is becoming a discussion that can't be had despite it is well known science.

Discussion about drug addiction. Suggestions that drug addiction is mostly caused by other factors like depression, not the 'drugs are bad and you will get hooked if you do them' argument. Someone did a study to dismiss the mouse study. Different results when you give the mouse something to live for, hence, not stuck in a small cage with no life and a source of cocaine or heroin. Interesting episode, I haven't finished watching it yet.

Switzerland & Portugal solved drug issues by doing the exact reverse that other countries are doing by making the drugs legal and helping the people with therapy. Greatly reduced crime, overdoses & money spent to fight drug addiction. Also includes many examples of how prohibition drives extreme violence, over 80% of drug related violent crimes are drug dealers in war with each-other which could all quickly vanish simply be legalizing all drugs and offering legal sources to obtain them. One example was alcohol prohibition, the violence with illegal dealers went away as soon as it was legal to buy. Also covers the dirty tactics the US did to force other countries like mexico to comply and mentioned how drugs weren't really a big issue until the war on drugs began, war on drugs drove war for drugs and has caused what was a very small problem into a very large and violent problem.

Want to Win the War on Drugs? Portugal Might Have the Answer
http://time.com/longform/portugal-drug- ... alization/

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An superb interview with Noam Chomsky on Russiagate into perspective. Someone said recently, and I can't recall who, that hatred of Trump seems to rob people of the "critical thinking skills." That's true, of course, of anyone who is a hardcore partisan.

Free speech under attack (Canada)

Leftists push INSANE Bill That Allows Executing Babies


This new bill allows abortion at 8 1/2 months (Killing a fully formed baby)

Interesting video. Yeah, the PC culture is getting ridiculous beyond belief. This clip from Joe Rogan's podcast ties into this topic very well. More and more comedians are staying away from campus venues.

Thanks for sharing. (not all)These younger people are boxing themselves into an idiot box where they restrict themselves from other ideas and critical thinking, it's so sad to see. Thankfully, antifa is facing lash back now, after damaging Tucker Carlson's home. They are being banned from a lot of social media outlets, they are calling for acts of violence so I see it justified. I hate censorship, but inciting violence is technically illegal so it doesn't bother me. I think facebook and instagram still allows them.

If these guys want to make a group at their school they should not have associated with a group (CAFE) that has already developed a reputation for targeting feminist activists for harassment at the University of Toronto when they tried to start the same kind of MRA group there. These men's issues groups really need to guarantee that they won't fill up with violent misogynists if they want to have a place on campus, because men's issues groups always seem to deteriorate into groups of angry violent guys attacking feminists and making the women around them feel unsafe.

Having a student group at your university is not a right, it's a privilege--and if you try to start a group which is known for turning violent, of course the university is going to be extremely wary of letting you come together on campus to intimidate and harass women, which is why they lost their court case.

And in regards to your "late term abortion is murder" video, here's the story of a woman who got one if you're interested to hear from someone who actually experienced that and who talks about why she got the procedure:

https://jezebel.com/interview-with-a-wo ... 1781972395

And another article about women who needed late term abortions:

https://splinternews.com/these-women-ne ... 1793863135

Yeah, i'm all for choice, not for killing fully developed humans. They have plenty of time to abort. I've watched plenty of material on the subject including people going under cover and hearing the things being said in the clinics. I personally do not agree with that.