Does systemic racism against blacks even exist anymore?

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If the topic is how has systemic bigotry impacted these people or those people, those who wish to downplay the effects of that bigotry can't possibly have much of value to contribute to the conversation.

If you want to accurately measure bigotry, you need people who are skeptical of its presence and impact to check the impulses of those who want to see it everywhere. That becomes difficult when people are constantly trying to recast questioning things like critical theory as actually being bigoted, that's what we call a thought terminating cliche, typically deployed by someone who doesn't want their dogma questioned too closely. In this case, the insinuation mostly works on white people who are afraid of being called racist, which fortunately does not work on me.

That doesn't really make sense. If a hypothetical left-wing person (your nemesis) wants to get remove racism then why would they want to see more of it?

More like hypothetical right person claims systemic racism is a myth and accuse the aforementioned left-wing person of wanting it to exist everywhere so that the right wing person can invalidate the notion of systemic racism without the need for evaluation .

But notice who is actually debating things vs who is simply projecting opinions. I'm not denying racism exists, never have, but I will debate it's prevalence and impact, which some people are trying to place beyond the pale. Again, thankfully such tactics don't work on me, as I don't let idiots on the internet define what is and isn't racism. I don't think anyone in this thread is actually denying racism come to think of it, it's almost like you're entirely projecting.

Us folks don't get to decide that Doxy...It's usually the people on the receiving end of racism who are in the best position to define it?

Nope, those people are just as likely to misunderstand intent and see racism where is isn't, and you'll see wide disagreement among minorities regarding what is and is not bigoted. I've also got my own experiences to go off of, my time as a minority myself at majority black schools, my adventures in interracial dating, the whole married a black girl thing... It's actually racist to judge peoples' ability to to recognize and classify things based on race, an unfortunate pillar of the social justice left these days.

This is akin to a religious person saying, "Why would I want to judge people to be sinners when I want there to be less sin in the world? Therefore, everyone I judge to be a sinner must really be a sinner."

They want it to exist because it makes them into the Good Guy or the Hero standing up to societal evil. That dopamine rush is like any addiction, it has to be taken in increasing amounts to achieve the same effect.

Actually, a brief history of critical race theory might read that since de jure racism had been outlawed by the civil rights acts and outright and obvious racism had become taboo and uncommon, activists needed a new tool to detect more and more subtle forms of "racism", including the kind that didn't actually require anyone to be consciously prejudiced. Not only do many activists derive satisfaction from their work, the professionals actually make careers of it, and they're not just going to go home when they win their fight, they move on to something else, or manufacture something else to go after. The arch example would be the jump from gay rights to trans rights after Obergefell when those things have far less in common than many would admit, or the way MADD, after successfully criminalizing drunk driving, has morphed into a neo-prohibitionist movement constantly trying to lower the BAC threshold to where you essentially wouldn't be able to drink outside your home if you drive.

Do you think you or I can relate to how a black person feels when they get stopped by the cops? Do you think the organic response to seeing George Floyd getting slowly strangled on TV came out of nowhere?

If society doesn't address the underlying reasons for those responses then they will continue well beyond 2021

What doesn't help is putting our hands on our ears when you hear of yet another karen or yet another police shooting.

Well put. I hadn't thought of it in that way before.

So once "Systemic Racism" is eradicated what new brand of racism will be invented to keep the race hustlers employed?

Having been discriminated against for the color of my skin, yes, I can relate. Also, having been married into a black family, I can very firmly state that there is no one "black experience" or opinion, there are black people who think exactly like me, some that think like you, and many more with completely different opinions, it's not monolithic.

If you're going to address underlying issues, you need to be sure you're addressing the correct ones, and blindly parroting ridiculous voguish theories like critical race theory or the Manichean Kendi approach to race relations is not the way to go about it. As is usual with you, no one is actually denying racism exists or is a problem in this thread, that's you projecting so that you can knockdown a strawman, we're discussing how much of a problem racism actually is, and what would be real ways to address that problem.

Policing the conversation based on emotion and tone - classy - spare me the Mz Manners crap. I'm sure it makes for a convenient excuse to avoid engagement. And yet, you continue to engage, but only to try to undercut and dismiss my points. "Not worth engaging" is often code for "not beneficial to engage". Boldfaced cowardice.

Cool story, but I didn't say "everyone who disagrees with me" - you said that about me. What I actually said was "racists are racists". I've never said any specific person was a racist. Things said reminded me of things said by racists, and I addressed those things said. But I've never concluded that "therefore, YOU are a racist!". I'm talking TO you, ABOUT racists. I've addressed racist IDEAS. Racist TALKING points. At worst, I've said that comments and ideas are racist. But please, don't let that stop you from willingly slapping the label onto yourself, so you have something to cry about. Diving in front of a car, then screaming how you got "run over".

Besides, the thick sweet irony, being on an autism site where people expect some leniency when it comes to outbursts and emotional regulation, and having someone pretentiously pretend to choke on their monocle in feigned offense, pretentiously harrumphing about decorum.

Focusing on the delivery of the message over the content of the message is just a means to ignore the message. And hey, what a coincidence, the same tactic is used against POC. Funny that. The very act of arbitrarily deciding by what criteria the other person must conform to in order for them to be even listened to by the mighty decider, is in itself a power grab - "If you wish to be heard, you must first meet my requirements." Like someone making someone else beg in increasingly demeaning ways before they're given what they need.

And really, it's just a moving goalpost. "No, you said it wrong. That's still wrong. NO, not like that. That's wrong too..." and there IS no right way to say it - or, more accurately, the "right" way to say it, is so quietly they don't have to hear it, and so passively they can ignore it.

WeLl Im NoT gOiNg To LiStEn If YoU cAnT sAy It NiCeLy!! !

OK then. Dear racists, who ever you may or may not be. PLEASE and kindly with a cherry on top, dear honored and cherished racists, your lovely f**ked up ideas can respectfully get f**ked sideways with a rake. All the best

If you're not a racist, PLEASE and kindly disregard the aforementioned sentiment.

I don't know who is or isn't a racist, so please sort yourselves out accordingly.

You see, even though I am responding to a specific comment, my response is addressed to the room, not to any specific individual. When I respond to a comment, I'm also responding to every time I've hard that same stupid comment made by someone else. My opinions are of the comments, and of their reasoning, not of the individual. When I am stating an opinion about a specific individual, I am pretty clear about it. I don't just quote them, I address them by name. When I say "people", I may very well be including a present participant, but am usually referring collectively to all of the people I've ever heard use that same reasoning. When I am referring to a single specific person, I am clear on that, too. For example:

Mr Reynholm, you appear to ask the same questions every several pages. In those pages, many people seem to answer you. Yet several pages later, you ask the same question again. One might get the impression you were asking it every couple of pages so that eventually the people who responded would grow tired of responding, and would eventually leave the question unanswered. At that point you could declare victory by default, via absence of opposition. By doing it every several pages, you'd increase the chances of someone only seeing the end of the thread where you'd fabricated a winning-looking situation, cos how many people actually read the whole thread once it's longer than a few pages, right? I admit this is a guess, and you may in fact simply have severe mental deficiencies when it comes to memory. Or perhaps some other option. Still, I found it interesting that you persistently ask a question that you consistently get answers to.

Dox47, wherever there's someone trying to act like a badass, there's someone else fluttering around in their shadow trying to act like they're a part of things, sporadically chiming in with a "yeah!" or "that's right!" or perhaps even a comeback that might almost pass for "clever" in defense of the figure whom they are trying to ride on the coattails of. Your enthusiasm is admirable. Stepping in like some self-appointed debate club referee and demanding decorum in favor of the other party, oh bless your heart, you're adorable.

People seem to forget, the guy most famously asking "Why So Serious?!" was a clown. Feeling like you should get to decide how other people feel about things, and respond to them, simply because of how it makes YOU feel, is privilege at it's finest. If you only care about an issue in direct proportion to how gloriously your ass was kissed, you don't really actually care about the issue, you just want the ass-kissery. "Say it nicer. Say please. Say please with a cherry on top. Now tell me how great I am for considering listening to you."

White people deciding what POC do or don't experience is like neurotypicals deciding what autism is like, and pointing to the odd POC who says they personally never felt discriminated against, or did turn out to be successful, is like holding up pictures of anthony hopkins and temple grandin and saying "ableism isn't real, autistics aren't discriminated against! And anyways, only 1% of the population even has autism, so it's hardly reasonable to expect america to suddenly become autism-centric..."

I suspect the truth may have actually come out. People don't care. But that looks bad, so they have to pad that apathy so it looks justified, instead of just selfish or heartless. Even if racism is real, it's not THEIR problem. THEY don't have to be on the bad end of that deal. So they invent rationalizations that allow them the ability to deny being complicit with something like that. So they point to the one black president, and scour the nation for POC who haven't experienced racism, and overinflate them until they are no longer exceptions to the rule, filled with hot air, and used to suspend and support their entire argument.

If being treated rudely and having your feeling hurt are the worst things that have happened to you, you're still on the remedial level of the school of hard knocks. I mean, sure, so sad for you, terribly sorry you went though that, but if that's the yardstick by which you measure the possible depth of suffering experienced by others, you're probably still in the metaphorical "kiddie pool" of human life experiences.



Yes, if there's karaoke and vodka. Otherwise I'm pretty quiet and understated. Why do you ask?

Last edited by uncommondenominator on 26 Aug 2021, 9:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Well said.

Decorum is one thing, you're both actively unpleasant and long winded, which isn't a good combination for arguing, and so much of what you say is emotional that it makes me think reasoning with you wouldn't be satisfactory. But, you are unpleasant, so you get tweaked. What was your point again? It seems to having gotten lost amongst all the insults and flying spittle.