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15 Dec 2023, 1:16 pm

^^^^ ugh too right fxe


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15 Dec 2023, 1:21 pm

belijojo wrote:
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In order to avoid unnecessary disagreement, I would like to confirm again: The British royal family is more like managers or mascots?

Heck, slaves are speaking out for slave owners just because the whip was changed to a tax.


I just want to point out that in some civilizations slaves who spent their entire lives in slavery would often develop a kind of stockholm syndrome where they would remain loyal to their masters despite the way they were abused and oppressed. This happened even in the Deep South too.

So... yeah. That actually makes sense in a way.


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15 Dec 2023, 1:29 pm

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So... yeah. That actually makes sense in a way.

I see that this middle-aged man still maintains a logical dialogue, so I hope to find each other's mistakes through gentle debate. He was an electronic engineer! (Wait, am I wrong?)


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15 Dec 2023, 1:34 pm

belijojo wrote:
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So... yeah. That actually makes sense in a way.

I see that this middle-aged man still maintains a logical dialogue, so I hope to find each other's mistakes through gentle debate. He was an electronic engineer! (Wait, am I wrong?)


Um... no I'm not an electronic engineer and I don't think early 30's is "middle aged"... :|


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15 Dec 2023, 1:39 pm

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Um... no I'm not an electronic engineer and I don't think early 30's is "middle aged"... :|

I was totally wrong! Sorry, those messages were about people with Israeli flag avatars. As for logical chatting, I mean Nades


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15 Dec 2023, 1:54 pm

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Um... no I'm not an electronic engineer and I don't think early 30's is "middle aged"... :|

I was totally wrong! Sorry, those messages were about people with Israeli flag avatars. As for logical chatting, I mean Nades


Ohhh ok, lol my bad. :lol: :oops:


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15 Dec 2023, 3:15 pm

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The excuses people will make for an inherently flawed system are mind boggling and all seem to boil down to believing unnatural hierarchy needs to be maintained.


What's so hierarchical about luck and skill. Wealth passed down through the generations isn't actually as common as it's made out to be?



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15 Dec 2023, 3:16 pm

Nades wrote:
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The excuses people will make for an inherently flawed system are mind boggling and all seem to boil down to believing unnatural hierarchy needs to be maintained.


What's so hierarchical about luck and skill. Wealth passed down through the generations isn't actually as common as it's made out to be?


You really don't see what's so hierarchical about some people earning exponentially more than others despite doing less work? :?


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15 Dec 2023, 3:21 pm

belijojo wrote:
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In order to avoid unnecessary disagreement, I would like to confirm again: The British royal family is more like managers or mascots?

Heck, slaves are speaking out for slave owners just because the whip was changed to a tax.


Mascots. The royal family here have no power. They own a lot of land and are individually very rich (understandably to many people's distain) but they pose no barrier to wealth and are never in competition with others.

I actually like the royal family due to their public profile and neutrality, at least until before the queen died. They act as a decent middle ground between government and civilians.



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15 Dec 2023, 3:25 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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The excuses people will make for an inherently flawed system are mind boggling and all seem to boil down to believing unnatural hierarchy needs to be maintained.


What's so hierarchical about luck and skill. Wealth passed down through the generations isn't actually as common as it's made out to be?


You really don't see what's so hierarchical about some people earning exponentially more than others despite doing less work? :?


No. I see work as a lot more than just hours per week. Risks and income dumped into a company also counts, perhaps moreso than hours itself.



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15 Dec 2023, 3:30 pm

Nades wrote:
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The excuses people will make for an inherently flawed system are mind boggling and all seem to boil down to believing unnatural hierarchy needs to be maintained.


What's so hierarchical about luck and skill. Wealth passed down through the generations isn't actually as common as it's made out to be?


You really don't see what's so hierarchical about some people earning exponentially more than others despite doing less work? :?


No. I see work as a lot more than just hours per week. Risks and income dumped into a company also counts, perhaps moreso than hours itself.


Manual labourers face higher risks than engineers typically, so I'm not sure you actually care about risk.


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16 Dec 2023, 1:20 am

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Mascots. The royal family here have no power. They own a lot of land and are individually very rich (understandably to many people's distain) but they pose no barrier to wealth and are never in competition with others.

Just checked, the Core Monarch Grant is a huge part of their revenue stream. How can they have this grant when they own real estate like this?Take away Prince Charles' bloodline, and what kind of competition would he have to go through to get this? They really didn't compete but simply declared themselves the winners.
I have some doubts about whether you recognize the core of capitalism: "The greater the ability, the greater the reward."
I'd like to know what you think of this as a conservative British person Belief in capitalism
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Risks and income dumped into a company also counts, perhaps moreso than hours itself.

Being a corporate leader in a monopoly industry is a profession with no risk and high returns. The core skills are something that is illegal even in capitalist countries.If you want to talk about "antitrust law", "inheritance tax" or something like that, I have already said it, I believe you will have a bright future, relying on your ability to reform rather than this BS capitalism
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Wealth passed down through the generations isn't actually as common as it's made out to be?

That’s your left’s contribution. In fact, I think finding mistakes and making small reforms is the key to capitalism surviving today. It was also the key to the death of the Soviet Union.
Britain passed a series of welfare reform measures and still insisted that it was a capitalist country.
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Not really, they'll just leave the country.

Not really, The rich would secretly lower taxes and spread the word that countries with lower taxes would see famine, massacres, and the restoration of feudalism.


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17 Dec 2023, 5:41 pm

It's all a ruse / distraction for normies. Left vs Right politics. Communism. Capitalism. Blah blah blah..

The worlds governments have been colluding and rusing for centuries to control the peasants.



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17 Dec 2023, 5:45 pm

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The worlds governments have been colluding and rusing for centuries to control the peasants.


Religion has been one of their foremost tools in achieving that goal, but you conveniently overlooked that.


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17 Dec 2023, 5:46 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Nagolbud wrote:
The worlds governments have been colluding and rusing for centuries to control the peasants.


Religion has been one of their foremost tools in achieving that goal, but you conveniently overlooked that.


I agree, secular religions like evolution and statism have destroyed critical thinking...

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17 Dec 2023, 5:55 pm

Nagolbud wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Nagolbud wrote:
The worlds governments have been colluding and rusing for centuries to control the peasants.


Religion has been one of their foremost tools in achieving that goal, but you conveniently overlooked that.


I agree, secular religions like evolution and statism have destroyed critical thinking...

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Christianity has long been used as tool for destroying critical thinking and you're showing those effects.


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