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23 Jan 2025, 7:41 am

People tend to focus on the wrong things. In my opinion, the problem with the nazis was not the way they saluted each other. When people get riled up about his gesture they are playing into Elon's hand. Instead, journalists should ask him about his political opinions and ask him to explain them in more detail. He should be asked what he thinks about fascism and nazism. If he then denounces these ideologies he should be advised to avoid making gestures that could be confused with or remind people of the nazi salute. Preferable, this advise would then be given in a well-meaning but slightly condescending way assuming he is a simpleton that was acting in good faith but didn't know better.


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23 Jan 2025, 7:43 am

He's not an edgy teenager, he's a middle aged man. Certainly he couldn't have gotten this far in life without being told making that gesture will always be in the very worst of taste.

I agree that the gesture itself isn't what's the problem, so much as the racial ideology it represents and that his mother has been attached to and that he also appears to be attaching himself to.


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27 Jan 2025, 10:05 pm

BillyTree wrote:
People tend to focus on the wrong things. In my opinion, the problem with the nazis was not the way they saluted each other. When people get riled up about his gesture they are playing into Elon's hand. Instead, journalists should ask him about his political opinions and ask him to explain them in more detail. He should be asked what he thinks about fascism and nazism. If he then denounces these ideologies he should be advised to avoid making gestures that could be confused with or remind people of the nazi salute. Preferable, this advise would then be given in a well-meaning but slightly condescending way assuming he is a simpleton that was acting in good faith but didn't know better.

Why? He's been incredibly clear about his intentions and interests. It's not like this is an isolated incident.



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28 Jan 2025, 12:21 am

He did the Nazi salute.


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28 Jan 2025, 12:23 am

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He did the Nazi salute.


And then he went to Germany to tell the modern day version of the NSDAP (AfD) that Germans need to get over their guilt from that era.


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28 Jan 2025, 12:44 am

”As the debate continues about what billionaire Trump ally Elon Musk intended when he made straight-arm gestures at an inauguration event, Musk posted a series of Nazi-themed puns on Thursday to his more than 200 million followers on X, the social media platform he owns.”

Saw multiple screenshots of his post, and it was eughh bad and gross

He’s bad and gross


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28 Jan 2025, 5:27 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
He did the Nazi salute.


And then he went to Germany to tell the modern day version of the NSDAP (AfD) that Germans need to get over their guilt from that era.

This is where context matters. Modern people shouldn't feel guilt about what happened before they were born. They should recognize that it was wrong and fight against it if it appears on the horizon. The problem is that he means it as more about Nazism being OK, not we're not responsible for things that happen before we're born.



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29 Jan 2025, 3:18 am

MatchboxVagabond wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
He did the Nazi salute.


And then he went to Germany to tell the modern day version of the NSDAP (AfD) that Germans need to get over their guilt from that era.

This is where context matters. Modern people shouldn't feel guilt about what happened before they were born. They should recognize that it was wrong and fight against it if it appears on the horizon. The problem is that he means it as more about Nazism being OK, not we're not responsible for things that happen before we're born.


Not to mention that his premise is essentially that Germans reject Nazism out of guilt, rather than disgust.


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29 Jan 2025, 11:44 am

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BillyTree wrote:
People tend to focus on the wrong things. In my opinion, the problem with the nazis was not the way they saluted each other. When people get riled up about his gesture they are playing into Elon's hand. Instead, journalists should ask him about his political opinions and ask him to explain them in more detail. He should be asked what he thinks about fascism and nazism. If he then denounces these ideologies he should be advised to avoid making gestures that could be confused with or remind people of the nazi salute. Preferable, this advise would then be given in a well-meaning but slightly condescending way assuming he is a simpleton that was acting in good faith but didn't know better.

Why? He's been incredibly clear about his intentions and interests. It's not like this is an isolated incident.


Why? Because then he can't hide behind "being ironic" or "edgy". And I doubt he think it's funny if people think he's stupid.


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04 Feb 2025, 11:08 pm

Because of Musk I'm worried people will think I'm doing the Nazi salute when I'm really just reaching for a package of toilet paper on a shelf at Walmart. 8O



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05 Feb 2025, 9:17 am

BillyTree wrote:
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BillyTree wrote:
People tend to focus on the wrong things. In my opinion, the problem with the nazis was not the way they saluted each other. When people get riled up about his gesture they are playing into Elon's hand. Instead, journalists should ask him about his political opinions and ask him to explain them in more detail. He should be asked what he thinks about fascism and nazism. If he then denounces these ideologies he should be advised to avoid making gestures that could be confused with or remind people of the nazi salute. Preferable, this advise would then be given in a well-meaning but slightly condescending way assuming he is a simpleton that was acting in good faith but didn't know better.

Why? He's been incredibly clear about his intentions and interests. It's not like this is an isolated incident.


Why? Because then he can't hide behind "being ironic" or "edgy". And I doubt he think it's funny if people think he's stupid.

Nobody seriously thinks it was an accident or him being edgy or any such nonsense. People know who he is. It's not like he has a good reputation.



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08 Feb 2025, 8:47 am

Musk vows to rehire deputy who apparently joked about annihilation of Israel and Gaza

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US tech billionaire Elon Musk said Friday he was reinstating a deputy who quit a job giving him access to the sensitive personal data of millions of Americans after the staffer was linked to a racist social media account.

Marko Elez, 25, resigned from Musk’s self-styled Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) Thursday when The Wall Street Journal uncovered a welter of offensive posts on the account, including a boast from last July stating, “I was racist before it was cool.”

Musk — US President Donald Trump’s close confidante and point man on spending cuts — asked his 216 million X followers if he should reinstate “@DOGE staffer who made inappropriate statements via a now-deleted pseudonym.”

More than three-quarters of the 385,000 respondents voted “yes,” prompting Musk to announce: “He will be brought back. To err is human, to forgive divine.”

“Here’s my view: I obviously disagree with some of Elez’s posts, but I don’t think stupid social media activity should ruin a kid’s life,” said Vance.

“We shouldn’t reward journalists who try to destroy people. Ever. So I say bring him back. If he’s a bad dude or a terrible member of the team, fire him for that.”


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08 Feb 2025, 9:11 am

Hate? Not really, but there's plenty to be worried about and with Trump being too stupid to understand much of anything, Musk is free to run riot.

What does Elon Musk believe?

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No one thinks that, so long as Trump continues to regard the billionaire as more of an asset than a liability, Musk’s thirst for power will stop at gutting federal agencies. The question is where he will launch his next offensive.


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08 Feb 2025, 9:35 am

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Elon is inspirational as he demonstrates to us that we also can achieve.

He dares to dream big and surrounds himself with like minded people and they achieve!

He also learns so many things on the journey.

His amazing advice and wisdom...

And he does not have a degree, and questions why we are putting people through the educational system as we are, when they need to be taught how to learn themselves instead through experiment and discovery.


Elon Musk is a really inspiring gentleman, and I really do not understand those who criticize without even listening to what he says.

To which I will say this. NEVER EVER make decisions about people based on what other people say about them. Be it the news, or be it someone else. ONLY take your information from either the person themselves, OR those who directly know them, as so many times I have heard awful things said by those who never even knew the people concerned, which to me is a stupid thing to do!

I am not saying Elon does not have faults, or that anyone else does not have faults. BUT ALWAYS get your information direct. NEVER from the news of what other people think of someone! (Other people who have never even met the people they are talking about!)

Some people are shown as being great people by the media but if one gets to know the real them, one realizes they are not nice people. Yet others the media tries to say how awful they are... Yet when one meets them or speaks to people who personally know them, one realizes how many lies have been told!

But Elon, and others I am impressed with!

I think Musk has something wrong with his brain. Whatever it is, it developed later in life. Possibly a consequence of using some sort of drug, but I don't really know. People can develop psychoses later in life (no offense intended to those here who legitimately suffer from illnesses that might be categorized as psychoses). But an undiagnosed psychotic with the sort of financial means Musk has could be genuinely dangerous. Any serious disease is bad if not treated as it should be.

But my main point is that I don't think the Musk of today could possibly develop the businesses Musk developed in his youth e.g. Tesla and SpaceX. So it's perfectly OK to admire him for having done those things, but understand he's no longer that person.


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08 Feb 2025, 12:08 pm

So, he's been to Germany to tell them what to do about their psychological progress, has he? I marvel that just because a bloke has managed to accumulate an enormous wad of money, anybody thinks he's qualified to be the world's general advisor. But he's getting away with it, or seems to be in some circles.

Hate may be too strong a word for how I feel about the guy. I somewhat dislike him for grabbing tons more cash and resources than any individual could possibly deserve or need, given the poverty suffered by so many others, but he isn't in my thoughts very often. I mostly see him as the barometer of a somewhat sick society.