Is it WRONG to own guns, rifles, swords, knives, etc.?

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Is it wrong to bear arms?
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No 81%  81%  [ 66 ]
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14 Sep 2007, 10:27 pm

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It's ironic I am being called a dictator when I'm speaking for gun rights. Dictators don't allow their people to have guns, because if their people had guns they could defend themselves and revolt, and fight back, rather than being a door mat.

Many accusations of such a nature don't make sense. I believe I once got called a dictator because I thought that animal rights clashed with human freedom and so by opposing a law I was labeled a totalitarian.



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14 Sep 2007, 10:28 pm

Face it, we don't live in rainbow bright land, there isn't no fairy dust or pixies flying around, or carebears or none of that s**t, leave the pipe dream where it belongs and wake up to reality. We don't live in a perfect world. Some times we have to do ugly things to protect the rights and freedoms and prosperity of the people living in this world, in order to keep things from getting even worse.



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14 Sep 2007, 10:28 pm

So if I was walking down your street, for example, and I saw you and said 'Hey, you bastard!' (which is not an insult here), and you pulled a 357 Magnum out, you would say you had a right to shoot me. That is BS and you know it. What about my right to walk without the fear of some dickhead pointing a gun at me and pulling the trigger? It's this sort of f****d up mentality that we are talking about, and that is what has made your thinking backward. No ifs, no buts. Only the ret*d would see the value in using a weapon for self-defence, an intelligent person would avoid the conflict in the first place.


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14 Sep 2007, 10:29 pm

No that's different, there is responsible gun ownership and irresponsible gun ownership.



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14 Sep 2007, 10:30 pm

And how exactly do you avoid your government turning on you?



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14 Sep 2007, 10:34 pm

Firearms are a last resort to protecting our freedoms.



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14 Sep 2007, 10:42 pm

You avoid your government turning on you by not spreading paranoid delusional rumours about them spiralling into decay and being corrupt etc... What you are doing is giving them reason to go after you in the first place. Face the fact, unless you are an absolute lunatic like Koresh or Manson, the government couldn't give a s**t about what you did. Do you think they really care about you in Bumblefuck wherever, plotting to arrest you once you walk out the door for some imagined crime against humanity? Give me a break. They have more on their collective plate to worry about than one pissy little person named snake321. And if you think that you are such a special case, use your 2nd amendment like you suggested to me and put yourself out of your misery.


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15 Sep 2007, 12:03 am

Your ignoring hundreds of years of history that has not changed one bit to the current day. Oh, I guess Nazi Germany never happened, the Chinese were never taken over by their government, nor were the Cubans :roll:



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15 Sep 2007, 12:03 am

Hey everyone, oppressive governments don't exist, because the_chosen_one said so.



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15 Sep 2007, 12:08 am

The_Chosen_One wrote:
YWhat you are doing is giving them reason to go after you in the first place. .


Who says I'm being singled out? When dictators rise to power they overtake the whole nation, their motive is simple greed and lust for power. We're not "special" because we're "1st world nations".
If you can't see the filth and corruption in front of your own eyes then you really are a sad loser. I've pointed it out several times but every time you stick your fingers in your ears and go "lalalalalalalalalalalala". All you can say is basically "your crazy, it can't happen to a modern 1st world nation". Ironically that's probably the EXACT same thing many germans said to their "conspiracy theorists" leading into WW2. But I guess according to you there never was a Nazi regime, because oppressive governments have never existed :roll:



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15 Sep 2007, 1:03 am

Quatermass wrote:

... but keeping a gun for potential self-defence when you clearly do not need it is imbecilic.


Who doesn't NEED one though? I could really have
used one, when trying to defend my wife's life. All
that I had in reach was a (rather fragile) sword stick.

Luckily, the shock effect managed to make it work, but
I wouldn't count on it every time.



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15 Sep 2007, 2:19 am

I don't think the real problem lies within gun control or lack thereof.
The problem is that American culture is sickeningly violent.
The even bigger problem is that we don't know why.



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15 Sep 2007, 2:43 am

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I don't think the real problem lies within gun control or lack thereof.
The problem is that American culture is sickeningly violent.
The even bigger problem is that we don't know why.




you just made a really bad generalization and you should know better than to do such a thing.


american culture isn't violent. the number of murders is more due to the substantial difference in the classes and in education between a high income area and a low income area and the opportunities offered to people and that only a violent life is afforded available to some people sometimes.

i'm sure you'll bring up war too but most people aren't for the war in iraq and when people did support war, it was in the name of defending ourselves....not simply just a jingoistic culture. the jingoistic culture within the media and in the federal government is mostly due to israel's zionist influence on our government and media and their pushing for us to help colonize the middle east. unfortunately the media does sway people towards jingoistic tendencies...but only until a slap in the face like the utter failure that is iraq comes along and brings them to their senses.



so your statement that american culture is sickeningly violent is just insulting and shows a kind of lazy self-loathing for your own country.



typical liberal. heart is in the right place but too lazy to go for the right answer and just go for the easy one instead.



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15 Sep 2007, 3:49 am

skafather84 wrote:
Cyanide wrote:
I don't think the real problem lies within gun control or lack thereof.
The problem is that American culture is sickeningly violent.
The even bigger problem is that we don't know why.




you just made a really bad generalization and you should know better than to do such a thing.


american culture isn't violent. the number of murders is more due to the substantial difference in the classes and in education between a high income area and a low income area and the opportunities offered to people and that only a violent life is afforded available to some people sometimes.

i'm sure you'll bring up war too but most people aren't for the war in iraq and when people did support war, it was in the name of defending ourselves....not simply just a jingoistic culture. the jingoistic culture within the media and in the federal government is mostly due to israel's zionist influence on our government and media and their pushing for us to help colonize the middle east. unfortunately the media does sway people towards jingoistic tendencies...but only until a slap in the face like the utter failure that is iraq comes along and brings them to their senses.



so your statement that american culture is sickeningly violent is just insulting and shows a kind of lazy self-loathing for your own country.



typical liberal. heart is in the right place but too lazy to go for the right answer and just go for the easy one instead.


Ok in case you didn't know, class difference is part of culture. The more violent lower class is a part of American culture. Even so, the higher classes have some bad violence (especially school shootings with middle/upper middle class). Americans like to use violence to solve their problems (ex: "Yo! Stop hitting on my girl! *punches face*). Even the American government uses violence to solve its problems.
P.S- I'm not a liberal, dumbass.



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15 Sep 2007, 4:14 am

No, but that is not to say same people shouldn't.



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15 Sep 2007, 5:12 am

snake321 wrote:
Your ignoring hundreds of years of history that has not changed one bit to the current day. Oh, I guess Nazi Germany never happened, the Chinese were never taken over by their government, nor were the Cubans :roll:


Personal firearms didn't remove the dictatorial regimes in the BRD and the USSR.