Do you believe in God?
I decided to make a new thread about this.
A week has seven days because in the Book of Genesis God created the universe in seven days. Seven is an important number for that reason.
What will the Universalist Bible consist of? Will there be any kind of holy writings in this new religion?
Before I go any further in explaining why 7 days are in a week, don't tell me you're a creationist.. That would be too much..
Seven of our 24-hr. caldendar days ... versus seven days of God's time ... probably not the same. If you stand outside of time and space, as God does, one day is a thousand years and a thousand years is one day.
So, that in itself would mean that each day of Creation was a thousand years. If God made Adam and Eve at the very end of day 6, then the Heavens and the Earth would be about:
12,000 years old...
Sorry, you need 12 BILLION or thereabouts, so you should revise 2nd Peter then.
Well, at least is not the literal 6 days
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Nope.
Well some may not and some may do, I was actually wondering if some conservative parents would actually force their kids to it, for what I have seen, it seems pretty much to be so, in some cases. However, there may be some who to a certain age may be allowed by their parents to change their minds and beliefs.
Me, I was not actually forced to it, luckilly, although I was 16 when I decided to not assist and change my mind about church.
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hello again
I am not a Unitarian Universalist.
I decided on the name Universalism as the name for my religion long before I had any idea there was a christian sect that used the name Universalist, or Universaliam.
When I discovered that christians had taken over the name that I had decided upon for my own religion I took over the name of Universalism and claimed it for myself in the name of sanity.
Universalism perfectly embodies the religion that I create and I decided that christians as a whole had no right to it. I have that right to commendeer a name because I think I have more right to it then they do.
prometheuspann - http://mytalktoday.com/solutions.invalid - your link doesn't work. I would not not be as critical as you have been of my own work but you have perked my curiousity but your link doesn't work I am getting some kind of error in relation to the link you have given me.
I have tinkered with your link and I think I have found what you were intending to give me. http://mytalktoday.com/solutions/
Universalism could also be considered a spiritual practice or attitude. It does not have to be a religion. I comment on this because I also decided at one time to begin a "new" religion utilizing the same term you have chosen. I have found spiritual practices to be more enlightening. So perhaps we can all agree that we are all Universal?
You have to understand that I write religion. I feel that is what I am meant to do with my LIfe. I am just making it up as I go along and I often go back and change the religion I write depending on whether I think that I have got it right or wrong.
Make no mistake, Universalism is a religion. You can proclaim yourself a Universalist based on the very few examples of my philosophy I have given you or you can choose not to be a Universalist.
One cannot be forced or manipulated to be a Universalist through psychological, nor phsyical means. One can only become a Universalist through the power of the philosophy I write and by making a personal choice to become a Universalist. That is one of the philosophies of the religion I write. It is an inconceivably forgivable sin to use any kind of force to make someone become Universalist.
Becoming a Universalist is a choice one makes themselves and it is a choice only the individual themselves can make.
I am not alone in how I feel. I beleive that there are Universalists all across the Earth. They have just never found a philosophy of a religion that fully encompasses how they feel about Existence.
Whether you fully decide to convert to Universalism, a controversial choice to be sure, especially given how little information I have given to the readers of this forum; that is still fine. If you find some of the philosophies of Universalism to your taste feel free to assimilate them into you own personal appreciation of Existence. But make no mistake. Universalism is not just a set of beliefs, it is a religion in it's entirety.
One would have to understand the philosophy of Universalism to understand the full extent of what I am saying.
In Universalism religion isn't an option... Religion isn't something you can ignore, much like global warming isn't something you can ignore if you like the land you live on, or the destruction of the rainforests is something you can ignore: if you like oxygen. Religion will be created whether you like it or not. Someone in human culture will step up and create religion whether you like it or not. The only choices you have are either to create religion, ignore the religion people create, or argue that the religions people create are garbage. Choosing not to align yourself to a religion will not stop religions from being created, nor will it stop multitudes of people from joining religions that are successfully created. One can ignore the power in the Universe to create religion and let people create it for their own self indulgence and personal powermongering, or one can learn to take the power to create religion in the Universe and divert that power for the benefit of humanity and the stabilization of causality in general. The third option I guess is to ignore religion in general, I think that's a dangerous option, at best, it's like ignoring the destruction of the rainforests. There isn't a forth option.
Whether you choose to just stand on the sidelines and appreciate certain aspects of Universalism is cool. It's your choice, and it's your choice to make.
But make no mistake creating religion is as necessary as the oxygen trees create so that you can breath. You can choose to align yourself to a religion that makes sense, works and increases humanites chances of survival, or you can stand by and just refuse to take sides in this particular realm of human reality.
But there is a market for religion, for every person that stands by and decides they can't be bothered with religion, there are a hundred people who crave the security that a succesfully founded religion brings to their Life, and will pay to be a part of it. There is a market for religion. Religion is a product in that market. For better, or for worse.
I am merely a producer of that product. But what kind of producer am I? What are my true intentions? Why did I come here to this very particular forum to voice my opinion?
These are mysterious, intriguing questions, for a mysterious and intriguing and enigmatic kind of a person.
Maybe I am writing the kind of religion particuarly suited to the Aspergers afflicted mind. However the religion I write may have wider implications than that.
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The capacity to hate is something I battle with every day.
My religion that I personally write: Universalism, is superior, as far as I can tell, to anything that exists on Earth by a degree of margin that defies calculation.
When someone's religion is so infinitely superior to a religion like christianity, the extremes of hatred one is filled with, due to the incomprehensability, the aforementioned person feels, that someone else could believe in a religion that is so fundamentally flawed as christianity or islam, religion that is so absolutely obsolete by 21st century standards and defies rational comprehension.
That someone cannot see in their minds eye all the possibilities inherent in Existence and the entire Universe and whose minds are limited by human religions barely worth the paper they are written on fills one with hatred beyond anyones ability to express in mere human language.
That hatred is wrong, and that hatred is a human weakness one must fight against in favour of tolerence of all the differences in relation to the fulll diversity of human neurodiversity and is something that battles for control of my personality every single day. Paradoxically, in Universalism, a Universalist is bound to be tolerant to people whose religious beliefs differ from their own. A Universalist, in principle, allows someone with a different religious orientation to themselves to stay the way they want to be. A Universalist can try to nudge a human being towards Universalism, or even towards an even better religion than I can create, so long as it's not by force. That's fine.
Tolerence of other people's religious beliefs no matter how insane they are, is however, the foundation upon which Universalism is built. At least if the aforementioned religions do not resort to any kind of violence against Universalism as a means to express their opinions about how they feel about Universalist doctrine. In which case I have a rather dramatic protocol, Universalists, have to resort to.
Transcention Universia...
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Hate doesn't come from Christianity, or any other religion for that matter, but from the individual. Christians who hate or claim that "God hates" things are in fact going against everything Jesus stood for.
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"The capacity to hate is a frightening reality. We are always ready to blame another of the circumstances can free us from our own self guilt"
I agree, hatred is one of the worst weaknesses of human beings.
I was watching a documentary just the other day called "Insurgency", the journalist was visiting a mosque somewhere in Iraq and said he didn't want to enter because he didn't want to disrespect the muslim religion. The muslim he was with told him that he "has to enter the mosque and pray, or die". Obviously a clear violation of Universalist philosophy. Forcing a Universalist to pray in a Mosque, with the threat of death, would be an unforgiveable blashemy in the Universalist religion and would be an act of war, holy war, even, entitling Universalists to bring muslims to the point of extinction, without mercy, nor concern for human life. What can I say, it's just evolution. The Universalist lives in a brutal Universe and pacifism isn't an option if one's survival is at state. If another religion on Earth chooses to be less enlightened than the Universalist religion then so be it. War of course is an option of last resort, and can only be used if all peaceful options are exhausted. However, if a Universalist is properly trained to the point of enlightenment then I imagine they will be more fair and enlightened than any religion they unfortunately have to deal with.
No human being is perfect, we all have our own imperfections though if one is to be truely honest about the realities of Existence.
As someone who actually writes religion I like to express my human weakness, while also explaining how that human weakness is wrong and is not something to be encouraged.
Personally no one in living memory ever met Jesus, the only records of Jesus are from a historical text that cannot be verified through any empirical means. But if such a man as Jesus existed he seemed to teach a philosophy that all human beings should be tolerant of each other and should respect each other, within reason.
I don't have the benefit of sitting down and actually chatting to jesus and making sure what he said is completely clear in relation to his actual opinions about the nature of Existence.
I do have the luxury of sitting down with myself and writing religion to the very extent of my own ability. I am a perfectionist, I have a level of standards I can't possibly ever hope to live up to, and I try write to a level of exatitude I am not possibly capable of, my only intention in writing religion is to somehow improve the possibility of human survival in Existence and to try teach human beings to generally be cool to each other, oh and don't be stupid. I am quite adament that human beings should be as morally upright as they can be and not be stupid. I hate stupid.
Transcention Universia.
"I may not be the stereotypical, archetype of somone who writes religion. But I do write religion. And I can examine myself and pretty much tell you exactly what it actually feels like to be having a genuine religious experience. Good fucken fun huh?"
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"I" dont have to understand anything. Do you count your "I"s?
It is a religion if one chooses it to be. It is a shared philosophy with no ownership or entitlement. Notice how you use "this or that". One can only give if another accepts.
One can choose to be what ever one wants to be, it has nothing to do with "you". Research "Ego" if you would like.
I am not alone in how I feel. I beleive that there are Universalists all across the Earth. They have just never found a philosophy of a religion that fully encompasses how they feel about Existence.
It is a religion if one chooses that label. If I am not not "mistaken".
Is that so?
Whether you choose to just stand on the sidelines and appreciate certain aspects of Universalism is cool. It's your choice, and it's your choice to make.
This or that again. And I disagree.
I am merely a producer of that product. But what kind of producer am I? What are my true intentions? Why did I come here to this very particular forum to voice my opinion?
These are mysterious, intriguing questions, for a mysterious and intriguing and enigmatic kind of a person.
Maybe I am writing the kind of religion particuarly suited to the Aspergers afflicted mind. However the religion I write may have wider implications than that.
I respect your persuit though it is my opinion that we all need to continue our research and efforts.
Of course, no single human being, can write a religion, nor develop a religion that encompasses all the possibilities inherent in Existence. Of course, if you took the time to fully research Universalism as a religion you would know that there are billions of years to work out everything there is to learn about Existence. Should human beings survive their own Existence that is.
I'll give you a simple, basic example anyone enlightened can understand: scientology. Scientology is a religion, some guy just sat around and wrote it and made it and sold it to the public and did it successfully. L.Ron.Hubbard is one example of someone who created religion whether you like it or not and succeeded. He won't be the last to do so and while he may have been completely inept at creating religion he still did a successful job. What happens when a true genius of pure evil comes along who decides to makes a religion for their own amusement. The results of such a tragedy may last millions of years and the affect on causality might well be beyond your comprehension. But through the philosophy and religion of Universalism the results are not beyond my own comprehension.
Choose your words carefully communicating to me your "this or that" comment just makes you look stupid. Especially if your quoting such eloquently written philosophy, of such a high level of reason and rationality.
I found your post a little bit hostile, rather than constructive, but that is your choice to make.
