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23 Aug 2008, 7:09 pm

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What about the Christians that are mean to the agnostics and atheists?

Moi?

Hey, if you call yourself an agnostic and act like a jerk, you welcome yourself to people being mean. However, if you are like greenblue or anubis, then nobody's going to dislike you. Not me at least.

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23 Aug 2008, 7:14 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

corroonb wrote:

What about the Christians that are mean to the agnostics and atheists?

What is your definition of "acting like a jerk"?

Evidence?

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23 Aug 2008, 7:17 pm

A good layman's definition of "acting like a jerk" is asking others to define "acting like a jerk" just to irritate them a little bit more.

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23 Aug 2008, 7:18 pm

corroonb wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

corroonb wrote:

What about the Christians that are mean to the agnostics and atheists?

What is your definition of "acting like a jerk"?

Evidence?

:roll:

It all depends what your definition of "is" is.

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23 Aug 2008, 7:21 pm

I cannot believe William Jefferson Clinton was not impeached. :roll:

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23 Aug 2008, 8:59 pm

Sand wrote:

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Pragmatic agnosticism is a lack in belief or a lack of interest in a deity because of the practical impossibility to prove either the existence or non-existence of such a being. A Pragmatic agnosticist, similar to an apatheist, is someone who is not interested in accepting or denying any claims that gods exist or do not exist. In other words, it is someone who considers the question of the existence of gods as unanswerable and thus not useful in his or her life; or perhaps to human affairs.

I accept the above. As do many people I know.

The proposal that a being exists superior to all logic with absolute power to do anything throughout all time and space renders any sensible mental investigation as to its existence and policies as totally useless. Why anybody with normal intelligence would even extend the effort to demand respect for belief in such an all powerful being is incomprehensible to me.

Statements of confusion about commonplace occurrences are asinine. If you have an argument, make it. If you don't get something, think about it.

(Pet peeve.)

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23 Aug 2008, 11:34 pm

Why don't we take a scientific approach to this?
Everybody present evidence for their beliefs.
I'll start. Let's see... We've got fossils, carbon readings, so-called "light maps" of the stars, proven scientific theory on space and time, mitochondreal DNA of homo neanderthalis, and many more little tidbits of information gained by scientific apperatus.
We also acknowledge we are still learning. Who are we? Scientists, of course!
Christians and similar religions have musty old poorly translated barely comprehensible books.
Hard-core atheists don't believe because they're fed up with religion, and agnostics would rather warm the bench than get involved.
I'm not saying there definitely is or isn't a god, but before opinions are formed and skulls are smashed, you do a little more research.
You're like a bunch of guys fighting over who's team is better in a football match on cable, despite the fact you don't have cable in the first place!

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24 Aug 2008, 1:34 am

You can't take a scientific approach to faith. You can only take a faith approach to faith.

Aspie-literalism, Aspie-perseveration ... :roll:

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24 Aug 2008, 1:44 am

Ishmael wrote:

It is nothing but theories that is all you have just like you could say all religious people have are theories. Unless we get a time machine and travel to the dawn of time and see how everything was made we will never know for sure.

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24 Aug 2008, 1:56 am

Ishmael wrote:

and agnostics would rather warm the bench than get involved.

It all smacks of arrogance in my view. The game can be fun to watch though...

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24 Aug 2008, 2:07 am

What do you mean by only theories? All I have to do is take you to the nearest museum!
You conveniently forget the hard evidence.
We have both facts and theories - how typical of the religious to ignore what contradicts their beliefs.
What's this about only the faithful can interpret faith.
Ah, religious duplicity - to claim such all the while attempting input into scientific affairs.
By that same logic I can say no Christian could ever be a doctor or a mathematician, but there are. Therefore that argument is null.

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24 Aug 2008, 3:00 am

greenblue wrote:

if atheists think that christians are arrogants for their belief in God, then atheists would be arrogants as well for claiming something they don't have evidence for it, and it turns out to be a belief system, I would assume, but it depends on the level of atheism I suppose.

if you say God does not exist, then a Christian and an Agnostic could ask you where is the evidence to support such claim.

Atheist: "God does not exist"
Agnostic: "Evidence, please?"

Besides, I kinda agree with Anubis, in the sense that if believing and being a christian makes one happy, then good for them, it is not a bad thing, as long as they leave other people with different beliefs and lifestyles alone.

If someone says, "I don't believe that there is a teapot orbiting the sun between Mars and Jupiter," do you demand evidence for their disbelief? Our telescopes do not have the resolution to prove or disprove an object the size of a teapot at that distance, so its existence or nonexistence must be taken as an article of faith. There are a great number of highly improbable things that cannot be disproven, and thus their non-existence must be taken on faith. Do you demand 'proof' that there are no immaterial, invisible dragons in your garage? Or proof that there are no fairies in your garden that are too clever to be detected by science?

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24 Aug 2008, 3:07 am

Circle-jerkers on your marks ... get set ... GO!

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24 Aug 2008, 11:12 am

Orwell wrote:

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I just tried to ask a simple question, that still you or anyone else has failed to answer. Well no, most of them were christians, but the other were aspie Americans, so your bound not to understand me. How is it nonsense? Its a pretty good point I think, and I know other people who think the same, and they say its the one question christians can't answer. You were just as much to blame for what broke out.

I did answer your question, but you ignored that part. For the record, I'll answer it again: most Christians do not take a literalist approach to interpreting Genesis. It is seen as allegorical rather than historical, so the timeline isn't relevant.

so what do you believe then? How was the world created? How did human beings come to be? When did most christians stop believing about the Adam and Eve part?

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24 Aug 2008, 11:17 am

slowmutant wrote:

Sand, you're why Aspies get beat up.

na, he seems alright. I'd say the ones that get beat up are probably the quietest ones or the nerds.

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