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02 Sep 2008, 10:17 am

http://www.kucinich.us/

Hes looking for 1,000,000 signatures by the eve of September 11th. One thing I think many of can agree upon is the erosion of our civil liberties. Please sign the petition to impeach on the grounds of abuses of power and failure to defend our constitution. Thank you.



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02 Sep 2008, 11:56 am

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In reference to the spelling of thermite. The issue was whether thermite or thermate was utilized to melt structural steel. These are two different compounds. Many of the researchers believe that thermate was used because of the amount of sulfer in the molten steel and because of its temperature. Does anyone have an alternative version to what larry may have been talking about when they decided to pull the solomen brothers building? Why was the Bin-Laden family flown out of the country without first being detained for questioning when the rest of our planes were grounded? What was up with the war games taking place as the events on 9/11 were taking place? Does everyone really discount the witness accounts of the people that were actually there and reported ground level explosions? Are you aware Usama was an asset to the intel community? What happened to all the gold that was supposedly stored there?


If i tried saying what you said people would freak out and say 'wheres your sources!'.. :lol: but thats only me, they wouldnt do that to you.



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02 Sep 2008, 12:53 pm

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You forget that 'conspiracy theorists' are still a minority.. If you think it's fun to be name called and told im pathetic and crazy and ret*d and an idiot on a forum over and over then you're insane.. i dont like attention let alone to be thought of as more of a loser than I already feel from being an aspergie.. it actually hurts. But im not like you, and I dont stop believing something because Im scared of getting bitched at.


Except that Asperger's is something that you can't help. You can choose to buy into conspiracies.


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02 Sep 2008, 1:03 pm

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Except that Asperger's is something that you can't help. You can choose to buy into conspiracies.

Well, I would assume that that could be seen as a belief system, can you easily change a belief system, whatever that is?

People believe in something and have their minds into it, by suggestion or whatever reason, that strongly affects them, otherwise we wouldn't even have religion at all, and any other thing that requires a belief system and leap of faith.

The question is, would conspiracy theories be the case?


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02 Sep 2008, 1:38 pm

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You forget that 'conspiracy theorists' are still a minority.. If you think it's fun to be name called and told im pathetic and crazy and ret*d and an idiot on a forum over and over then you're insane.. i dont like attention let alone to be thought of as more of a loser than I already feel from being an aspergie.. it actually hurts. But im not like you, and I dont stop believing something because Im scared of getting bitched at.


Except that Asperger's is something that you can't help. You can choose to buy into conspiracies.


I didn't buy into anything.. I just take things as I see them.. I've always been an intuitive person, and can tell when someone thinks ill of me, or when something is wrong with somebody.. i dont see any difference between that and what i see in the world.. intuition doesn't apply strictly to one specific thing.. mind you I think everyone has the opportunity to use their instincts and maybe everyone would be equally intuitive if they opened their mind. . but who knows.



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02 Sep 2008, 6:49 pm

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Psimulus wrote:
In reference to the spelling of thermite. The issue was whether thermite or thermate was utilized to melt structural steel. These are two different compounds. Many of the researchers believe that thermate was used because of the amount of sulfer in the molten steel and because of its temperature. Does anyone have an alternative version to what larry may have been talking about when they decided to pull the solomen brothers building? Why was the Bin-Laden family flown out of the country without first being detained for questioning when the rest of our planes were grounded? What was up with the war games taking place as the events on 9/11 were taking place? Does everyone really discount the witness accounts of the people that were actually there and reported ground level explosions? Are you aware Usama was an asset to the intel community? What happened to all the gold that was supposedly stored there?


If i tried saying what you said people would freak out and say 'wheres your sources!'.. :lol: but thats only me, they wouldnt do that to you.


Sources are of import. Here is the first thing that popped up in google http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python ... 24508.html



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02 Sep 2008, 7:41 pm

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Except that Asperger's is something that you can't help. You can choose to buy into conspiracies.

Not quite. Schizophrenics, for example, have a mental disorder that often causes hallucinations and delusions, especially of persecution and conspiracy. The human brain is wired to find patterns even where none exist, and some have that trait more than others, so there are people who innately tend to be far more likely to believe/concoct conspiracy theories.


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02 Sep 2008, 7:43 pm

But you don't need to be mentally ill to "buy into" a delusion, just gullible and ignorant.



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02 Sep 2008, 7:46 pm

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But you don't need to be mentally ill to "buy into" a delusion, just gullible and ignorant.

Also true, but some people are more likely to tend to organize information in a fashion that leads to conspiratorial thinking. And the line between mentally "ill" and "normal" is too fuzzy to be of such great use as a clear demarcation IMO.


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02 Sep 2008, 7:52 pm

You also get conspiratorial thinking when one makes a claim or conclusion first, and then searches for data to support it. Any collection of data will tell you what you want to hear if you torture it long enough.



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02 Sep 2008, 8:05 pm

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You also get conspiratorial thinking when one makes a claim or conclusion first, and then searches for data to support it. Any collection of data will tell you what you want to hear if you torture it long enough.


Torcher data?.. I don't know who's more dillusional here, you or him ^^ :lol: Now anyone who opposes the media story is mentally ill or dillusional.. thats funny, but keep going really.



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02 Sep 2008, 8:44 pm

Delusional thinking is believing in something that has been proven otherwise, like "The Earth is flat" and "Illness is caused by demons" and "If man were meant to fly he'd have wings" and "The government was behind the events of September 11, 2001".

Each of these beliefs has religious overtones due to its believers' reliance on blind faith. All but the last has lost its evangelical intensity. Each of these beliefs has no practical value, and their adherents are more concerned with converting others to their point of view than they are with providing a goal and the means to reach that goal.

It is pointless to try to convince anyone with any expertise in any relevant field of investigation related to the events of September 11, 2001. The only people so convinced have little or no relevant expertise from which to draw upon to confirm or deny any "theory" put forth by 911 conspiracists.

And all you can do is ridicule those of us who know better than to believe your ravings.



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02 Sep 2008, 9:06 pm

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Delusional thinking is believing in something that has been proven otherwise, like "The Earth is flat" and "Illness is caused by demons" and "If man were meant to fly he'd have wings" and "The government was behind the events of September 11, 2001".


Hmm, you're a GOOD Liar! :D .. the best lie is always told when truth is mixed in with it, which is what YOU do, and which is what was done with the 911 inside job incident.

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Each of these beliefs has religious overtones due to its believers' reliance on blind faith. All but the last has lost its evangelical intensity. Each of these beliefs has no practical value, and their adherents are more concerned with converting others to their point of view than they are with providing a goal and the means to reach that goal.


NOW this is the tactic you use in lieing further and exACTLY what the media does to brainwash the public! Hah! this is priceless..
You use the lie that you already made to create new information, which is based on a lie, and therefore itself is a lie :lol: Wayy to go! you sit on a foundation of lies

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It is pointless to try to convince anyone with any expertise in any relevant field of investigation related to the events of September 11, 2001. The only people so convinced have little or no relevant expertise from which to draw upon to confirm or deny any "theory" put forth by 911 conspiracists.

And all you can do is ridicule those of us who know better than to believe your ravings.


I aint ridiculing anybody!.. all of the jabs have been on your end! In every instance ive shared my beliefs, Ive meant no offense to anyone and I have not ridiculed anyone.. You are the one ridiculing here :lol:



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03 Sep 2008, 3:37 am

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Except that Asperger's is something that you can't help. You can choose to buy into conspiracies.

Not quite. Schizophrenics, for example, have a mental disorder that often causes hallucinations and delusions, especially of persecution and conspiracy. The human brain is wired to find patterns even where none exist, and some have that trait more than others, so there are people who innately tend to be far more likely to believe/concoct conspiracy theories.


One can not find patterns where they do not exist. For if they did not exist their would be nothing to find. One can imagine to have found patterns where they do not exist and also not all patters are apparent to everyone at a given moment. Though I understand your basic supposition. Belief and perception are of course relevant. What is true for one person may not be true to another. Sometimes something can be both true and false at the same time dependent upon the position of the observer.



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03 Sep 2008, 7:45 am

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Delusional thinking is believing in something that has been proven otherwise, like "The Earth is flat" and "Illness is caused by demons" and "If man were meant to fly he'd have wings" and "The government was behind the events of September 11, 2001".


Hmm, you're a GOOD Liar! :D .. the best lie is always told when truth is mixed in with it, which is what YOU do, and which is what was done with the 911 inside job incident.


This sort of behavior is indicative of someone who can't supply actual evidence. Instead, there are innuendos and wild tales spun, all without evidence.

Isn't it amazing how these "conspirators" can be so ultra-competent that they pulled something like what they're accused of doing while simultaneously being so ultra-incompetent that they can't manage to keep a few fringe types from "knowing what they did" and "spreading the word". If I were running such an all-powerful, world-spanning conspiracy, believe you me, there would be no word of it at all. There would be no books about it. There would be no videos on YouTube about it. There would be no posts on message boards about it.



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03 Sep 2008, 12:35 pm

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... If I were running such an all-powerful, world-spanning conspiracy, believe you me, there would be no word of it at all. There would be no books about it. There would be no videos on YouTube about it. There would be no posts on message boards about it.

I would plant a few wild-eyed, raving lunatics among the anti-conspiracy forces to make them all look bad.

That is, if the anti-conspiracy forces weren't so good at providing so many wild-eyed, raving lunatics from within their own ranks.