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21 Sep 2008, 12:58 am

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Hell... Or I'll bet I could.


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More like 666 degrees South


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the DEEP south.. :twisted:


So...like Louisiana?


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21 Sep 2008, 1:02 am

I do not intend to move to any state in the Deep South.


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21 Sep 2008, 1:03 am

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I do not intend to move to any state in the Deep South.


Yeah, it's hell down there.


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21 Sep 2008, 1:05 am

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I do not intend to move to any state in the Deep South.


Yeah, it's hell down there.


It's probably not Hell, per se, but I can imagine better places for me to live.


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21 Sep 2008, 4:01 am

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Evidence no more counts as 'proof' than rejecting a statistical hypothesis (even at a very high significance level) counts as 'proof' that it isn't true

You can bold the term 'evidence' as much you want; it only serves to underscore that you still don't understand the substantial distinction between standards of belief in math and science, something this math/science student finds very comical

Collins English Dictinary wrote:
evidence (‘evidens) n 1 ground for belief or disbelief; data on which to base proof or to establish truth or falsehood. 2 a mark or sign that makes evident; his pallor was evidence of ill health 3 law matter produced before a court of law in an attempt to prove or disprove a point, such as statements of witnesses, documents, material objects, etc. See also circumstantial evidence, direct evidence 4 turn queen’s (king’s state) evidence (of an accomplice) to act as a witness for the prosecution and testify those associated with him in crime 5 in evidence on display; conspicuous: her new ring was in evidence -> vb (tr) 6 to make evident; show clearly 7 to give proof of or evidence for
evident (‘evident) adj easy to see or understand; readily apparent [c14 from Latin evidens, from videre to see]
evidential (,evi’densal) adj relating to, serving as, or based on evidence > ,evi’dentially adv
evidently (‘evidentli) adv 1 without question; clearly; undoubtedly 2 to all appearances; apparently: they are evidently related. hypothesis (hai’p0isis) n, pl –ses (-s,i:z) 1 a suggested explanation for a group of facts or phenomena, either accepted as a basis for further verification (working hypothesis) or accepted as likely to be true. Compare theory (sense 5) 2 an assumption used in an argument without its being endorsed; a supposition 3 an unproved theory’ a conjecture [c16 from Greek, from hupotithenai to propose, suppose, literally: put under; see HYPO-, THESIS] > hy’pothesist n
theory (‘0iari) m, pl –ries 1 a system of rules, procedures, and assumptions used to produce a result 2 abstract knowledge or reasoning 3 a speculative or conjectural view or idea: I have a theory about that 4 an ideal or hypothetical situation (esp in the phrase in theory) 5 a set of hypotheses related by logical or mathematical arguments to explain and predict a wide variety of connected phenomena in general terms: the theory of relativity 6 a nontechnical name for hypothesis (sense 1) [c16 from Late Latin theoria, from Greek: a sight, from theorein to gaze upon]


Scientifically a theory is a hypothesis that has substantial proof and evidence that suggests it is correct. If there was no evidence or proof, then by your own admission, everything in Science is just made-up BS. Such an abnegating cecity you have.


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21 Sep 2008, 10:36 am

Sling wrote:
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Evidence no more counts as 'proof' than rejecting a statistical hypothesis (even at a very high significance level) counts as 'proof' that it isn't true

You can bold the term 'evidence' as much you want; it only serves to underscore that you still don't understand the substantial distinction between standards of belief in math and science, something this math/science student finds very comical


Scientifically a theory is a hypothesis that has substantial proof and evidence that suggests it is correct. If there was no evidence or proof, then by your own admission, everything in Science is just made-up BS. Such an abnegating cecity you have.


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Did you not read the links I gave you? The colloquial definitions of 'proof' given in a dictionary DO NOT FUCKING COUNT.

Here's a new one, written by a biology professor at ECSU:

http://plantphys.info/plants_human/scimeth.shtml

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Here we use our estimate of error and the allowance for error (5%?) and make up our minds. We have two options: "reject the hypothesis" or "cannot reject the hypothesis" and only these two options! If the chance we are wrong is more than 5% (it failed more than 1 time in 20 tries) then we usually reject the hypothesis as flawed. If the chance we are wrong is less than 5% (it failed less than once in 20 tries) then we cannot reject the hypothesis.

Please notice that we do not prove hypotheses! Proof exists when the chance for error is 0. There is always some chance for error (no matter how small it is!) and this existence of chance error means we cannot prove anything in true, honest, science.


You don't understand the scientific method, you don't understand statistical procedures. you don't understand the philosophy of math and you don't understand proof. Any scientist will tell you that there is no proof in science. There is no proof in science, there is no proof in science, there is no proof in science, there is no proof in science, there is no proof in science, there is no proof in science.


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21 Sep 2008, 10:41 am

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"Chever's photo makes him look a bit like irish monkey in space suit".. <----- I like that one!


WTF? I guess that makes me an Italian rat in a sweater.

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No not really, your picture is one of the brain and some nuro receptors ... i get to be lablled as what then? my picture was jacked from an old school skateboard company ... but seriously how did we all get off topic again?

It is just as easy to get distracted as to use your mind and change ... yesturday I became so distracted I forgot to even go to work ... suckkkkaaaasss ... it is a good job also ... and they were depending on me ... yet my disposition and lack of ability ti prioratize plus impatience to have something i lost only a few weeks ago ... oh this might not make any sense but then again it just might do what it was meant to do and stop useless bickering as to replace it with somthing more light hearted like the topic of a universal comunity leand by a truly ritchious man who has only one fear greater than himself that of his wife ... which not in the Hilery Clinton sense more in the so much respect he fears her wrath kind ... as in Hilery was only married for asthetic purposes...

yeah so how about that revolution?

any one have ideas about that?

otherwise just go into a junk forum and start debating who is who in the world of "butt hurt"

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21 Sep 2008, 11:24 am

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You don't understand the scientific method, you don't understand statistical procedures. you don't understand the philosophy of math and you don't understand proof. Any scientist will tell you that there is no proof in science. There is no proof in science, there is no proof in science, there is no proof in science, there is no proof in science, there is no proof in science, there is no proof in science.


Then it seems rather hypocritical that you always demand it :?



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21 Sep 2008, 11:26 am

I only demand evidence.


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21 Sep 2008, 11:27 am

No, you only reject evidence



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21 Sep 2008, 11:30 am

What genuine evidence have I rejected?

An actor pretending to be scared for The Art Bell Show?

Puh-leez


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21 Sep 2008, 11:50 am

hmm, well that is one, yes.. the other is taking place in Operation Red Skies as we speak. . and since I cannot see into the future, but im guessing you''ll reject what I have to say, and so that's 2 for 2 that i can think of.



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21 Sep 2008, 11:51 am

That's not evidence

That's BS

I want a physical sample tested by a reputable lab


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21 Sep 2008, 12:03 pm

So if you had to make a decision whether to stop these planes that could destroy our atmosphere or keep them there simply from lack of evidence, you would let them continue destroying the atmosphere?



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21 Sep 2008, 12:13 pm

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So if you had to make a decision whether to stop these planes that could destroy our atmosphere or keep them there simply from lack of evidence, you would let them continue destroying the atmosphere?


They're probably not destroying our atmosphere.

I'm more worried about all these damn cars burning up gas everywhere; very inefficient.


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21 Sep 2008, 12:53 pm

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yeah so how about that revolution?

any one have ideas about that?

otherwise just go into a junk forum and start debating who is who in the world of "butt hurt"


Those two are goof balls, ignore them. They enjoy each other's company and look forward to their rants with one another.
It's sort of entertaining and sometimes very funny, but mostly just distracting.

Sometimes the answers to life's most biggest dilemmas is so simple it gets overlooked. If each one of us thought for ourselves and tolerated the differences with others, we would achieve Utopia.


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