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23 Sep 2008, 3:27 am

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Does anyone else ever notice conspiracy theorists source of choice is youtube?

For god's sake, it's like the Attractor of the world's stupidity. God Himself could be on youtube and I wouldn't pay attention.


A-MEN!

BTW ShawnWilliam and snake321, WHAT THE FUCK makes you think that all YouTube videos are authentic???
I dont really give a sh1t about all this talk regarding *street smarts* because that aint got nothin to do with COLD HARD FACTS.
If the youtube video that you posted is authentic ShawnWilliam, WHY cant you give us some means of verifying this?!
I cant help but laugh my ass off at how you both resort to insults just because we ask questions about where these outlandish ideas come from! As skeptics everywhere like to say: get a life. :wink: :D


ummm, who and when did I insult?.. Sure, I've got a life, but I should say the same thing to you too..

You want cold hard facts? look in the mirror and tell me you don't see a deceived, misguided beta mind who knows nothing other than the programming of the culture around him looking back at you, and think to yourself.. am I that fucked up and diluted by our culture that I can't even recognize the truth?

You see truth as documentation, but documentation is within the eye of the beholder, and you've been given plenty of that. Anyone can write anything down, anyone can say anything you want, you just pick a side and stick to it, and quit getting offended by an alternate reality which your mind can not grow to accept. really, I understand it.. but you need to relax and take a step back before you can accept anything that might disrupt your diluted life.



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23 Sep 2008, 3:30 am

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Does anyone else ever notice conspiracy theorists source of choice is youtube?

For god's sake, it's like the Attractor of the world's stupidity. God Himself could be on youtube and I wouldn't pay attention.



pretty much.


the conspiracy theorist's choice isn't simply youtube but misleading clips that connect together their conspiracy how they want.


Oh?.. you mean it's a website that sponsors cold hard OPINION.. OPINION with representation. I see nothing wrong with it, in fact, some of those videos have great information in there, whether they are conclusive or not.

There is facts, and there is a conclusion.. the problem with you is you don't agree with the conclusion, simple as that.



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23 Sep 2008, 3:32 am

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who's in the video? job history? what their sources?


where's the proof? anyone can testify. evangelicals do it all the time, their god is still fake as ever.


Anyone can testify, that's right.. do you need their names?.. what difference does it make if they have names? it's clip from a congress hearing of some sort. And it is very clear that they are talking about harmful weather control.


It is clear that he was alleging that there are harmful weather control apparatuses being operated by the NWO. What is not clear is whether he is right. The fact that he stood up and said something is only a starting point - not a conclusion.

There are congressional hearings on other issues (like global warming, abortion, gun contro and other controversies) and some of the witnesses are credible while others are (to put it nicely) not so credible.


the guy asked a question about weather control and was told directly that it existed. Yeah maybe he was lieing, but whyy..? :?

I don't think he was lieing, so that's where I stand.. fair enough? Good. Glad to know opinions matter in this forum.



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23 Sep 2008, 3:35 am

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by the way, in order to make the amero possible, they'd need to completely demolish the economy because it'd have to be viable to go from the dollar to a new currency. this would also mean a lot of bloodshed because the dollar is not going away cleanly.


Actually, that's exactly right. The Amero is being produced though, and so are the concentration camps, and so is Martial Law.. sooo..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4

there's one concentration camp. There's hundreds made all over the world at the moment.



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23 Sep 2008, 5:42 am

Weather control isnt a conspiracy. Its an openly admitted fact. That's like saying that parliamentary process is a conspiracy. Or car engines. Or cats. Or anything that we can see right there in front of us actually occurring.

Any organisation powerful enough to abuse the use of plane engines from every sovereign nation of the world, military or civilian is surely not going to be rubbish enough to let evidence slip out on youtube of all places.

End of the day, all I'm seeing is a video of some pretty trails in the sky. Its nice set to music.


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23 Sep 2008, 11:36 am

Did it occur to you ShawnWilliam that videos, like photographs can be FAKED? Thats why seeing a video on youtube claiming this stuff is real DOES NOT rule out completely the possibility that the video was a HOAX!


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ummm, who and when did I insult?.. Sure, I've got a life, but I should say the same thing to you too..

You want cold hard facts? look in the mirror and tell me you don't see a deceived, misguided beta mind who knows nothing other than the programming of the culture around him looking back at you, and think to yourself.. am I that fucked up and diluted by our culture that I can't even recognize the truth? :lol:


You see truth as documentation, but documentation is within the eye of the beholder, and you've been given plenty of that. Anyone can write anything down, anyone can say anything you want, you just pick a side and stick to it, and quit getting offended by an alternate reality which your mind can not grow to accept. really, I understand it.. but you need to relax and take a step back before you can accept anything that might disrupt your diluted life.


:roll:

See, there you go again insulting me and claiming that Im biased just because a youtube video is Not enough to convince me that your claims are true.



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23 Sep 2008, 11:39 am

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Weather control isnt a conspiracy. Its an openly admitted fact.


Not really. Cloud seeding can sometimes trigger a bit of rain, but not reliably. Problem is, when there is a drought, the affected area is typically covered with lots of dry high pressure air, so there are few clouds, and those that are present are not so conducive to seeding. Human activity can affect the weather, but not control it.



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23 Sep 2008, 1:37 pm

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Weather control isnt a conspiracy. Its an openly admitted fact.


Not really. Cloud seeding can sometimes trigger a bit of rain, but not reliably. Problem is, when there is a drought, the affected area is typically covered with lots of dry high pressure air, so there are few clouds, and those that are present are not so conducive to seeding. Human activity can affect the weather, but not control it.


The fact that it is an infant science does not make it any more conspiratorial in nature though.

In some cases I think cloud dispersal might be more helpful though.


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23 Sep 2008, 1:44 pm

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Weather control isnt a conspiracy. Its an openly admitted fact.


Not really. Cloud seeding can sometimes trigger a bit of rain, but not reliably. Problem is, when there is a drought, the affected area is typically covered with lots of dry high pressure air, so there are few clouds, and those that are present are not so conducive to seeding. Human activity can affect the weather, but not control it.


The fact that it is an infant science does not make it any more conspiratorial in nature though.

In some cases I think cloud dispersal might be more helpful though.


Oh, I agree, nothing conspiratorial I have seen, except maybe for reports that someone wanted to cause a drought in Cuba by seeding clouds en route ... but that agency had lots of grandiose schemes that never amounted to much.

I like the idea of breaking up a hurricane before it slams into a major city - one team has calculated they might be able to do that using polyacrylamide gel to make the raindrops larger and fall out of circulation. Maybe.



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23 Sep 2008, 5:06 pm

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Thankfully I think Australasia is one of the best places to be for it though, would you agree? :D


Have got to admit it is pretty good down here, the UK is also brilliant they even have Homeopathic Hospitals (I am a devout republican but I have to take my hat off to Prince Charles for that one). The USA on the other hand is a basket case when it comes to natural therapies and in France you need to be a Medical Doctor first which has led to a very mechanistic approach

When I read back the last bit of my post it sounded really f*****g arrogant, sorry about that.


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23 Sep 2008, 6:06 pm

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In the US, the main anti-science force is creationism/ID; in Europe it is a visceral hostility among the public; science is somehow oppressive, responsible for Frankenstein food (the farmers and consumers are held entirely blameless)


To be fair, I understand that some GE crop developers monopolize the market. (I understand this happened in Punjab area ... not successful at all.)


Monopolies and loss of biodiversity are real, rational concerns about GM, but the mood here is widely of wanting a blanket, absolute ban on even crop trials of any kind whatsoever, regardless of who's doing it, etc. An example of the sort of mentality is on tv once on something about how food is full of 'Frankenstein' stuff one woman was 'OMG! It says this has an 'emulsion.' What the hell is that?' and that's supposed to show how unnatural food is - nobody pointed out that milk is also an emulsion, they just concluded that the emulsion was part of the unnaturalness without findng what an emulsion is...

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it is somehow more 'evil' than abattoirs even though the number of animals involved in research is orders of magnitude smaller than that of those that end up in supermarkets shelves (there have been cases of animal rights activists protesting outside a Plant Sciences building, but never outside a supermarket)


LOL

Field animals die during normal crop farming all the time


Yes, yet here you're more likely to receive death threats from the Animal Liberation Front if you perform experiments on fruit flies than if you run an abattoir. I suspect part of the reason is that the public would go ballistic at an attack on, say, supermarkets, but against scientists it's OK. The scientists have largely given up on trying to change the public mood and just keep a low profile.

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Also, there is a kind of disdain for hands-on work (qualified and unqualified) that extends to scientific experiments.


Yeah, come to think of it, I noticed that before. In several Western European countries, there seems to be a widespread public sentiment that physical sciences, mathematics, etc. don't count as real skills. This always confused me. Napoleon Bonaparte said: "The advancement and perfection of mathematics are intimately connected with the prosperity of the state." What happened since then?


I think it has to do with feudalism - the nobility engaged in war and government but not civilian labour, while the overwhelming majority of manual workers were serfs. This was defended on the grounds that the nobility paid its contribution to the nation in blood, not labour. There are some remnants of this (for example, Prince Harry was deployed to Afghanistan for a while, royals served in the Falklands War, etc). The nobility was in fact banned from manual labour (if you take a look at old Spanish texts -and I think in Spain this disdain for manual labour is particularly strong- manual labour is referred to as 'oficios viles' - 'vile trades'). The US was capitalist from the beginning, and the elite was not required or expected to fight the nation's wars, but its position was legitimised with labour instead. That there was a large number of small farmers and paid labourers meant that manual labour, especially in the North, was more respectable than in medieval Europe. So there is this disdain for working with your hands, for making things, for getting your hands dirty, for looking at technical details - that is for serfs (or immigrants) to do, and hence the popularity of Media Studies (UK), law (Spain) or psychology (France) rather than science and engineering, or plumbing for that matter (despite good pay, there is a shortage here of even moderately competent plumbers).
Napoleon belongs in the anti-feudal camp, and in the rationalist one - it makes sense he would support mathematics.

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Anecdotally at least, it seems science funding in Russia is at Third World levels, even in wealthy Moscow.


That's surprising.


Yes - possibly military research may be better funded, but my source has only ever worked on civilian stuff.


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23 Sep 2008, 6:47 pm

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Weather control isnt a conspiracy. Its an openly admitted fact. That's like saying that parliamentary process is a conspiracy. Or car engines. Or cats. Or anything that we can see right there in front of us actually occurring.

Any organisation powerful enough to abuse the use of plane engines from every sovereign nation of the world, military or civilian is surely not going to be rubbish enough to let evidence slip out on youtube of all places.

End of the day, all I'm seeing is a video of some pretty trails in the sky. Its nice set to music.


So let me get this straight.. first your admitting that weather control is with planes is real, then using it as a reason to prove me wrong?.. you realise everyone else in the thread disagrees with you on that, accept me?.. if it wasn't a conspiracy, it would be cut and dry.

And no, these powerful people dont have control enough over the internet to prevent people from posting videos on youtube, which is why there are millions of videos on there of conspiracy stuff, because it's the perfect place where anyone can bring their stuff. Anyone.. not just government paid agents.



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23 Sep 2008, 6:50 pm

Haliphron wrote:
Did it occur to you ShawnWilliam that videos, like photographs can be FAKED? Thats why seeing a video on youtube claiming this stuff is real DOES NOT rule out completely the possibility that the video was a HOAX!


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ummm, who and when did I insult?.. Sure, I've got a life, but I should say the same thing to you too..

You want cold hard facts? look in the mirror and tell me you don't see a deceived, misguided beta mind who knows nothing other than the programming of the culture around him looking back at you, and think to yourself.. am I that fucked up and diluted by our culture that I can't even recognize the truth? :lol:


You see truth as documentation, but documentation is within the eye of the beholder, and you've been given plenty of that. Anyone can write anything down, anyone can say anything you want, you just pick a side and stick to it, and quit getting offended by an alternate reality which your mind can not grow to accept. really, I understand it.. but you need to relax and take a step back before you can accept anything that might disrupt your diluted life.


:roll:

See, there you go again insulting me and claiming that Im biased just because a youtube video is Not enough to convince me that your claims are true.


I dont care if you believe me or not... the bible says clearly there will be people like you, and I know that there is.. there is nothing you can say to scare me away from the truth. People like you will always be blind, and never see the truth.. you will cry for proof, but you will find none.. it requires an active awareness to open your mind up to the truth.

DUHH I insulted you afer you said get a life.. sheesh. you seem to think you can insult me, but I can't insult you back. That's really pathetic. . I think you need your soother. .


by the way, faking a video like this would be pointless.. hoaxes involve slightly more unbelievable things.. there is nothing unbelievable about this.. most people will watch this and see nothing, but if you pay attention, you will see truth there.



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23 Sep 2008, 7:30 pm

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the bible says


the bible is a work of fiction.


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23 Sep 2008, 7:55 pm

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the bible says


the bible is a work of fiction.


That's one measly man's opinion.. the bible has many historical documentation.. the dogma of the bible is irrelevant, you can't prove it wrong.. but the historical context is accurate. More things out of the bible are proven true every day.. more historical occurances.. they just aren't exactly what people thought they were.



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23 Sep 2008, 8:34 pm

ShawnWilliam wrote:
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the bible says


the bible is a work of fiction.


That's one measly man's opinion.. the bible has many historical documentation.. the dogma of the bible is irrelevant, you can't prove it wrong.. but the historical context is accurate. More things out of the bible are proven true every day.. more historical occurances.. they just aren't exactly what people thought they were.



there are fictitious books that are based around factual events.

do you take revelations literally rather than as the poetic piece against the roman empire that it was actually meant to be?


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