Nobody interested in the Russia-Ukraine conflict?
Definitely distinct, but not totally disjoint. There is a small amount of overlap.
Be that as it may, in the minds of anti-Satanist scaremongers, there is little or no distinction at all. Occult traditions of all kinds, plus fraternal orders like the Freemasons, are all lumped together as part of an alleged centuries-old (or even millennia-old) world-ruling grand conspiracy of evil ritual child sex abusers and cannibals.
In some -- though not all -- versions of this grand conspiracy ideology, Jews are lumped in too.
(And, even when Jews are not included as part of the grand conspiracy, the ideology often seems to draw some inspiration from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and/or from Henry Ford's The International Jew, and is also reminiscent of the medieval anti-Jewish blood libel, leading some observers to guess that "Satanist" is really code for "Jewish.")
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I suppose it depends on what the British media says. They are brainwashing the public to believe that all refugees are bad and taking our jobs and money, so they could easily turn on the Ukrainian refugees...
Are all or most of the British media saying this sort of thing, or just the right wing media?
The right wing media. However, that is most of the media in Britain now- all owned by either billionaire Rupert Murdoch or his billionaire friends. it is The Sun, The Telegraph, The Express, The Times, The Financial Times, The Daily Mail.
This is the media that a large majority of people read and consume without challenging, because it's cheap, simply written and appeals to their base instincts.
The left wing media- The Independent, The Guardian- tends to be more educated and therefore appeal to fewer people.
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Good they're coming & can get a 3 year visa to stay For Now. (Hopefully they're able to then parlay that into Permanent Resident status and then citizenship if they want to stay.)
Not so great that some are falling through the cracks with no one knowing where they are if they leave a host family's house and there's no system in place to track them.
Not so great that the government of Canada only offers a one time $1500 support payment to host families to help cover expenses. Basically, you have to be able to afford to take on a dependent and house/clothe/feed them. Hopefully there are enough hosts willing and able, but there'd be a lot more with a bedroom to offer if Canada would chip in to help cover regular recurring expenses. Life is very costly here.. if someone's paying full current market price for housing + food/clothing/medicine etc that could easily cost $1500-1800/mo for each dependent. But if the space is being paid for anyways Or was bought/rented long ago for cheap, then it may only be ~$500-800/mo in variable expenses of food/clothing/medicine etc. But still, wtf Canada ? Irks me that this is the way it is in part because if I end up with an extra bedroom available in a house I may rent IF I move, I'd consider doing something like this.. but Especially if some/all of the hard costs of doing so were covered vs. coming directly out of my pocket. Still, never know, if I have the space and numbers jive and there are other financial supports, it is Possible that I'd consider doing something like this. I mean, I'd already be vetted and background checked by our own local government to take on a kid that isn't mine.
Blah blah blah, even if Canada is in large part dropping the ball on this, it's rather nice to read that people with deep pockets and big hearts are opening up their homes to kids fleeing the war. Even if they have to take it upon themselves to have Facebook groups and "informal," vetting processes etc it's rather moving that locals right here where I am are taking this on and making it happen.
Not so great for the long-term future of Ukraine. In 1991 i believe the population was 50m+, then it dropped to 42m a few years ago, now conservative estimates are around 28 million.
Most refugees are female who will likely find a nice Polish or German man have a baby & won't go back. The longer the war goes on the more women this will happen to, so a demographic crisis is guaranteed. What will the men left do all turn gay or try to leave themselves?
Many of these older women will take their teenage sons with them, so Ukraine will be without new recruits if the war carries on for another 2 years or so.
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Apparently North Korea has been supplying ammo to Russia and now the USA is trying to decide what to do about it: https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/w ... y-shells-4
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I smell another World War brewing...
What does it smell like?
Profit? Profiteering? Exorbitant gross margins? Massive government contracts? Increased shareholder value? Diminishing quality of life for the working class complete with higher taxation to line the pockets of the military industrial complex? Teen spirit?
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I smell another World War brewing...
What does it smell like?
Profit? Profiteering? Exorbitant gross margins? Massive government contracts? Increased shareholder value? Diminishing quality of life for the working class complete with higher taxation to line the pockets of the military industrial complex? Teen spirit?
All that and don't forget unfiltered propaganda all over the internet plus worldwide tension....
I smell another World War brewing...
What does it smell like?
Profit? Profiteering? Exorbitant gross margins? Massive government contracts? Increased shareholder value? Diminishing quality of life for the working class complete with higher taxation to line the pockets of the military industrial complex? Teen spirit?
That's what the two previous World Wars smelled like. Why should this one be different?
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I smell another World War brewing...
What does it smell like?
Profit? Profiteering? Exorbitant gross margins? Massive government contracts? Increased shareholder value? Diminishing quality of life for the working class complete with higher taxation to line the pockets of the military industrial complex? Teen spirit?
That's what the two previous World Wars smelled like. Why should this one be different?
Ok, so what I should have said is it smells like a pre-World War.
We're not quite in the World War phase yet but our toes are touching dangerously close to that line...
And I know perfectly well that if another World War spawns, the frontlines will be here. That's where they've always been so far.
But I actually see Western countries interested in Ukraine war staying in Ukraine. The industry profits with less risk and problems this way. However, what becomes of Russia, Iran and North Korea after current events are big unknowns.
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But I actually see Western countries interested in Ukraine war staying in Ukraine. The industry profits with less risk and problems this way. However, what becomes of Russia, Iran and North Korea after current events are big unknowns.
It's sad to think that a video game's intro kinda predicted this sort of thing. From Fallout 4.
https://youtu.be/EM3Y6uw6FtU
Very emotional video (that was its idea), but
1. the catchphrase "war never changes" is historically very inaccurate;
2. the "reason" for the next war from this video - shortages of nearly every resource as a result of overconsumption - is neither the reality of the current world nor the reason for current wars.
Actually, resource shortages and problems are the effect of the war - not the other way around.
So, let's keep it where it belongs - a very emotional intro to a game.
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1. the catchphrase "war never changes" is historically very inaccurate;
2. the "reason" for the next war from this video - shortages of nearly every resource as a result of overconsumption - is neither the reality of the current world nor the reason for current wars.
So, let's keep it where it belongs - a very emotional intro to a game.
Yeah you're right... entertainment is just entertainment.
I smell another World War brewing...
Yes...we're teetering on the brink of it. Only one accident with some nuclear thing would set it off e.g. Russia using a nuclear weapon in Ukraine, the pollution drifting into a NATO country...BOOM.
I am actually fearing for the human race. A nuclear war or environmental destruction or a serious pandemic will wipe us out sometime soon. I would be amazed if we last until 2100 AD.
Oh well. It's been fun here.
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Difference is that Iraq was ruled by a dictator who had invaded two neighbouring countries, repressed multiple minority groups within his own country, and had a track record of using weapons of mass destruction (he used chemical weapons both against Iran and against his own people). Meanwhile, Ukraine is a democracy that doesn't have a track record of invading neighbouring countries, where ethnic minorities are not subject to genocide, and where there are no WMDs (with those inherited from the collapse of the USSR given to Russia). They're very different. All they have in common is that they are both wars.
I've spent quite some time thinking about this, and have reached the following conclusion:
Everything you say about Saddam is true. In contrast, Zelenskyy OTOH has detractors but I don't think anybody should place him in the same category as Saddam (although one must admit that the things Putin and his supporters in the US say suggest he belongs in that category). But I don't think it's a relevant argument against what I'm saying.
The fact is that the Ukraine war was initiated by a Russian invasion and the Iraq war was initiated by an American invasion. In each war, millions suffered greatly. Had neither war begun, that suffering would have been avoided. The issue here is not the pretext for either war but the consequences of war themselves.
Let's consider an analogy. A murders a person who is later canonized by the Vatican. B murders a child molester. A and B are equally guilty. I don't think I need to explain that analogy. So Putin and GW Bush are both war criminals so far as I'm concerned.
BTW the only way I see this war ending is if Putin is somehow taken out of power due to internal Russian politics. No freaking idea whether this is possible or likely. Meanwhile I support anything any other country is doing to make Putin's experience as a "War President" as miserable as possible, whatever that given country's motivation might be.
I'm a War President
