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15 Nov 2010, 5:05 pm

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Obama's policies preventing recovery have prolonged those contributors to the deficit as well.

I wish conservatives would provide real evidence that Obama's policies are preventing recovery. You can't make that claim with any more confidence than I can make the claim that his policies prevented a much deeper recession. What's really preventing recovery is the fact that businesses are now profiting just fine with a smaller workforce and thus have no incentive to hire more.


This troubles me too. Wall Street recovered a little too fast for my taste and they're at it again with the record breaking bonuses. They cut their labor costs and now they're fine. I think we'll be talking about jobs for a long time to come. :(


To fire the ball back in your court, conservatives have provided evidence, its just that the mainstream media hasn't bothered to report things or they actually report on it monthes later.

Case and point is the drilling moratorium scandal. Politico recently reported on the story that Fox News, HotAir and others had all already reported on months prior.



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16 Nov 2010, 6:42 pm

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And information has come out that Saddam was trying to get things together to produce WMDs.

*snort*
Faux news has been claiming that weekly since before the war even started; it has never been substantiated.


I think the BBC also had an article on a bunch of Uranium the US smuggled out of Iraq at least three years ago...

citation, please?

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As far as Saddam: yes, he was a f***ing evil human and so were his sons. So is the leader of North Korea; so were the leaders of the genocide in Rawanda; So is the president of Sudan, who is wanted in the Hague for war crimes for the ongoing genocide in Darfur; so are the leaders of the 'Lord's Revolution Army' in Congo, who are gang-raping entire villages as a routine. There are lots of evil f***ing people in the world, but we can't afford to be the world's police and peacekeepers.


We've seen how good a job the UN does, they just take bribes from evil people and look the other way.[/quote]
So we should have invaded Rawanda? Should invade North Korea? Should invade the Sudan? Should invade Congo?
We do not have the resources to cure the world of petty tyrants.

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As far as Obama on Iraq and Afghanistan: yes, I am pissed about that. I want the U.S. out of both places. I'm also pissed that he didn't actually close Guantanamo.

So you saying we should have just left the Taliban in place after 9/11... Furthermore, you intend to haul a bunch of terrorists to the United States, while it makes for good rhetoric about the Guantanamo abuses, just where do you intend to put said terrorists? And what is to stop a left wing nut of a judge from letting them all go free?[/quote]
Wanting out now is not the same as never having gone in. I definitely think we should never have gone into Iraq. As far as Guantanamo, we can put them in a military prison on US soil where they are subject to US laws; keeping them in Guantanamo was just and excuse to circumvent the legal system.

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Wrt. zefs and sentience:
you can't have sentience without a functioning brain, and the zef doesn't have recognizable EEG waves until the 3rd trimester. Before that, it's just reflex arcs and the like.

No, if I remember correctly brainwave activity starts earlier than 3rd trimester. Furthermore you can delude yourself about reflexes, the fact is you need a nervous system in order to have reflex arcs.[/quote]
You need a nervous system to have reflex arcs; you do not need sentience to have them. Fish do more.
As far as what you 'remember correctly,' you are incorrect; there is 'electrical activity' in the brain earlier than the third trimester, but not coherent activity that is recognizable as mammalian brain waves.
http://www.dana.org/news/brainhealth/de ... x?id=10050
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MONTH 7

BRAIN: The once-smooth fetal brain has begun to form the grooves and indentations typical of a more mature brain. An electroencephalogram (EEG) can detect fetal brain waves.



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16 Nov 2010, 6:51 pm

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That said, additional structural deficit from Obamacare is substantial. I do agree it's comparable to Bush's structural deficit increases due to his medicare changes.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/03/03/obama- ... udget.html
http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collect ... collect=10
The net effect of the health care bill will be a decrease in the federal deficit.



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16 Nov 2010, 6:54 pm

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Conservatives have given more evidence that Obama has. Especially look at the fact his "jobs saved" measurement was pulled out of thin air with no factual information used to come up with the figures.


This is not accurate. Just because you don't understand the economists does not mean that they're pulling numbers out of thin air.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/28/busin ... ilout.html



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16 Nov 2010, 7:14 pm

LKL wrote:
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That said, additional structural deficit from Obamacare is substantial. I do agree it's comparable to Bush's structural deficit increases due to his medicare changes.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/03/03/obama- ... udget.html
http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collect ... collect=10
The net effect of the health care bill will be a decrease in the federal deficit.


First the CBO numbers you are using were proven to be incorrect, the CBO was not given all the variables.


Also in your subsequent post I will point out that even the National Enquirer has higher journalistic standards than the New York Times.



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16 Nov 2010, 11:05 pm

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http://www.forbes.com/2009/03/03/obama-health-plan-lifestyle-health_obama_health_budget.html
http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collect ... collect=10
The net effect of the health care bill will be a decrease in the federal deficit.

Inuyasha has dealt with the CBO numbers.

The Forbes article does not support you. In fact, it says the savings from reducing medicare benefits and the revenues from the new taxes are still only a "down payment" on the cost of Obamacare. The rest will still add to the debt.

And the effect of the new taxes ignores the fact that the tax increase will drive more second earners out of the job market, reducing the tax base and further increasing the deficit.



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17 Nov 2010, 2:42 am

Inuyasha wrote:
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That said, additional structural deficit from Obamacare is substantial. I do agree it's comparable to Bush's structural deficit increases due to his medicare changes.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/03/03/obama- ... udget.html
http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collect ... collect=10
The net effect of the health care bill will be a decrease in the federal deficit.


First the CBO numbers you are using were proven to be incorrect, the CBO was not given all the variables.


Also in your subsequent post I will point out that even the National Enquirer has higher journalistic standards than the New York Times.


first claim: data? citation?
second claim: yes, we know you won't accept anything besides Faux news or the Drudge report as news; not everyone is as biased as you.



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17 Nov 2010, 2:48 am

psychohist wrote:
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http://www.forbes.com/2009/03/03/obama-health-plan-lifestyle-health_obama_health_budget.html
http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collect ... collect=10
The net effect of the health care bill will be a decrease in the federal deficit.

Inuyasha has dealt with the CBO numbers.

Inuyasha has made an unsupported claim.

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The Forbes article does not support you. In fact, it says the savings from reducing medicare benefits and the revenues from the new taxes are still only a "down payment" on the cost of Obamacare. The rest will still add to the debt.

And the effect of the new taxes ignores the fact that the tax increase will drive more second earners out of the job market, reducing the tax base and further increasing the deficit.

from the Forbes article:
Changes to Medicare, including the elimination of no-bid private plans, are expected to net a savings of $316 billion in the next decade.

These savings, combined with $318 billion in revenue generated from a tax increase on individuals and families who earn more than $200,000 and $250,000, respectively, make up a $634 billion so-called down payment on expanding health coverage to millions of uninsured Americans.

The end goal, according to administration plans released last week, is to simultaneously improve access and quality of care while containing the cost.


The article does not contradict the "end goal" idea that the bill will reduce the deficit in the long run, and being Forbes, it would if it could. As far as driving workers out of the workforce, this happens consistently only when the cost of childcare exceeds the benefits of working - not from taxes.



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17 Nov 2010, 1:04 pm

@ LKL
http://www.examiner.com/post-partisan-i ... 1-trillion

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/obamacar ... -trillion/

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/03/ ... ats-false/

In addition, it's not the chief actuary's assignment to provide estimates of non-Medicare-related tax provisions, so his cost projections for ObamaCare do not capture all the needed budget data to estimate the full impact on the budget deficit. Using the Joint Tax Committee's estimates for the tax provisions missing from the chief actuary's report, $50 billion of deficit reduction alleged in the CBO report is wiped out, says Capretta.

And that's before the other gimmicks, double counting, and hidden costs are exposed and removed from the accounting, too, says Capretta.

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=19643

But that’s just it: Obama pretended to care, touting the bending o’ the cost curve and demanding that the Democrats bring in a bill below the arbitrary yet politically toxic threshold of $1 trillion. And in order to make that happen, they were willing to tell any lie and pull any accounting trick that they had to, from rigging the cost window to obscure the actual $2.5 trillion pricetag to pouring the enormous costs of “doctor fix” into a separate bill so that it wouldn’t show up in the CBO data on O-Care to pushing the bill through the House before CBO was finished running the numbers.
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/05/11/g ... n-thought/

I don't know which is worse, the Government lieing to us or most of the media trying to perpetuate that lie at the expense of the American people.



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17 Nov 2010, 3:20 pm

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These savings, combined with $318 billion in revenue generated from a tax increase on individuals and families who earn more than $200,000 and $250,000, respectively, make up a $634 billion so-called down payment on expanding health coverage to millions of uninsured Americans.[emphasis mine]

There's that "down payment" wording. In case you are unaware, a "down payment" means "the first fraction of the full payment". In this case, the $634 billion in savings and new taxes over a decade, if it actually materializes, is still only about a quarter of the $2.5 trillion - $2500 billion - that Obamacare will cost over a decade.

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As far as driving workers out of the workforce, this happens consistently only when the cost of childcare exceeds the benefits of working - not from taxes.

The majority of incomes over $250,000 are from two income families. The additional taxes reduce the benefits of working, making it more likely that those benefits will be exceeded by tangible and intangible child care costs.

Here's an analysis of a typical case, showing just how little take home income that second income often results in, and just how sensitive the employment decision is to small percentage point tax increases:

http://psychohist.livejournal.com/49423.html



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17 Nov 2010, 4:05 pm

LibertarianAS wrote:
some Asperger traits:

-Perseveration and difficulties with change
-low agreeability
-logical thinking

now a leftists is someone who WANT change,who want to live in a COLLECTIVE over INDIVIDUALISTIC world where everyone help everyone and about logical thinking...LOL


Not all aspies are right wing evil ret*ds, i.e. I am apolitical usually but I'm aware the capitalist system and western society is fundamentally flawed. Libertarians and conservatives are too stupid to do serious analysis.

i.e. aspies who are libertarian or rightwing haven't experienced a wide range of life experiences so their logic is de-coupled from the reality of seeing many people suffering.



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17 Nov 2010, 4:09 pm

ZakFiend wrote:
LibertarianAS wrote:
some Asperger traits:

-Perseveration and difficulties with change
-low agreeability
-logical thinking

now a leftists is someone who WANT change,who want to live in a COLLECTIVE over INDIVIDUALISTIC world where everyone help everyone and about logical thinking...LOL


Not all aspies are right wing evil ret*ds, i.e. I am apolitical usually but I'm aware the capitalist system and western society is fundamentally flawed. Libertarians and conservatives are too stupid to do serious analysis.

i.e. aspies who are libertarian or rightwing haven't experienced a wide range of life experiences so their logic is de-coupled from the reality of seeing many people suffering.


I suggest you stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid



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17 Nov 2010, 4:15 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
I suggest you stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid


There is no kool-aid drinking going on, most people adopt the ideas of the status quo and rulers. Slavery lasted for 1000's of years, capitalists are the modern slave drivers. The whole idea of private property in and of itself is illegitimate because most private owners have always been double dealing thugs and thieves.

We have empty houses and homeless people in the same f*****g society, that is fundamentally irrational and illogical, period from a humane perspective, and if you deny this you are simply an idiot. There is no logical reason for rich people to be able to earn billions of dollars off the backs of others while others suffer _needlessly_ because of the unjust aspects of the private ownership system and general human crappyness

I'm apolitical for a reason but I support left causes out of the need to balance the insanity of the right wing. As far as I'm concerned _all human beings_ of this era are just dumb monkeys incapable of serious higher thought, especially right wing AS types who simply put too much trust in their primitive nervous system because they are anti-science (i.e. know nothing about neurology or biology).

Concepts are the lenses by which a person see's and interprets the world and one has to have the introspective and cognitive potential to pick apart complex systems and this is time consuming (i.e. takes a lifetime of dedication) most people of a political persuasion do not dedicate their lives in disinterested pursuit of truth.



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17 Nov 2010, 4:19 pm

ZakFiend wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
I suggest you stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid


There is no kool-aid drinking going on, most people adopt the ideas of the status quo and rulers. Slavery lasted for 1000's of years, capitalists are the modern slave drivers. The whole idea of private property in and of itself is illegitimate because most private owners have always been double dealing thugs and thieves.

I'm apolitical for a reason but I support left causes out of the need to balance the insanity of the right wing. As far as I'm concerned _all human beings_ of this era are just dumb monkeys incapable of higher thought, especially right wing AS types who simply put too much trust in their primitive nervous system because they are anti-science (i.e. know nothing about neurology or biology).


Oh please, you are about as apolitical as Keith Olberman.



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17 Nov 2010, 4:20 pm

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Oh please, you are about as apolitical as Keith Olberman.


Because we all know the bailout of the banks was pure good old free market libertarian lovin capitalism at it's best right?

And you're just a reactionary troll, incapable of higher thought processes because it's easier to accept dogma then it is to challenge it.



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17 Nov 2010, 4:24 pm

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Oh please, you are about as apolitical as Keith Olberman.


And you're just a reactionary troll, incapable of higher thought processes because it's easier to accept dogma then it is to challenge it.


:roll:

I actually do my research, the fact you are making the comments you are making shows your statement as being apolitical is not credible.

You insult everyone that happens to be conservative and call them evil, by that fact alone you've proven you are not apolitical.