Why do Christians like to fixate so much on homosexuality?

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18 Feb 2011, 9:55 am

supra_chiasma wrote:

“Gender, race and impairment all relate to what a person is, whereas homosexuality relates to what a person does.” Two men can't reproduce,

The fact that two men cannot reproduce does not automatically mean homosexual is not what they are.

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18 Feb 2011, 10:15 am

leejosepho wrote:

supra_chiasma wrote:

“Gender, race and impairment all relate to what a person is, whereas homosexuality relates to what a person does.” Two men can't reproduce,

The fact that two men cannot reproduce does not automatically mean homosexual is not what they are.

I'm not quite sure of the syntax of that last.

In any case, science has shown that in many cases two men can in fact reproduce, with an assist from at least one woman. Teamwork is all.

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18 Feb 2011, 10:27 am

supra_chiasma wrote:

“Gender, race and impairment all relate to what a person is, whereas homosexuality relates to what a person does.” Two men can't reproduce,

So if a man is defined by his ability to be able to impregnate women and a woman's value is in her ability to have kids and a gay person's reluctance and natural aversion to this may therefore invalidate that value......where do sterile men or women stand of either sexual leaning?

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18 Feb 2011, 10:33 am

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I'm not quite sure of the syntax of that last.

Sometimes I befuddle myself.

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18 Feb 2011, 10:35 am

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supra_chiasma wrote:

Rhetorical hypotheticals can all-too-easily just lead to more confusion.

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18 Feb 2011, 10:44 am

pandabear wrote:

supra_chiasma wrote:

“Gender, race and impairment all relate to what a person is, whereas homosexuality relates to what a person does.” Two men can't reproduce,

Yeah. So?

You have a good point!
I have nothing against Adam and Steve.

Morphometric analysis of the human hypothalamus revealed that the volume of the suprachiasmatic nucleus (SCN) in homosexual men is 1.7 times as large as that of a reference group of male subjects and contains 2.1 times as many cells. In another hypothalamic nucleus which is located in the immediate vicinity of the SCN, the sexually dimorphic nucleus (SDN), no such differences in either volume or cell number were found. The SDN data indicate the selectivity of the enlarged SCN in homosexual men, but do not support the hypothesis that homosexual men have a ‘female hypothalamus’.

I dont know much about this topic, but i hope the above is enlightening.

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18 Feb 2011, 11:12 am

It might be if I knew enough of the field. As it is I will file it to wait for more input.

I confess without a roadmap I am not at all clear where the hypothalamus is and if I was ever told what it does the info is npo longer accessible.

Still, thanks - data that may eventually snick into place are always welcome.

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19 Feb 2011, 7:20 am

leejosepho wrote:

AlSwearengen wrote:

supra_chiasma wrote:

Rhetorical hypotheticals can all-too-easily just lead to more confusion.

Then this ought to spell it out more easily and people can definitively say where they are on the debate by asking themselves some very easy questions.

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Now here is an interesting point.
Does a person choose their sexual identity anymore than the colour of their skin or their gender? No.

OK what is the homophobic bigot (ie ho·mo·pho·bi·a (hm-fb-)n. 1. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men. 2. Behavior based on such a feeling.) thinking the homosexual person is going to do to rectify their sin?
Being gay is sinful and being gay is a sin. Effectively these elements of the faith belief that God has selected a people that will be punished for "being| (not choosing or following a course of acting that they could avoid.)
Is that fair, tolerant, loving , ethical, kind or good? Flies in the face of organised Christian faith doesn't it?

My questions to the Christians that hold such views and are in contempt of gay people

Are you a bigot (it is defined above)?
Does that make you any better than the intolerant sexists, racists or any other bigot or bigotry?
Why?
Why do you think that a loving tolerant moral God would allow for people to be born gay and thus damned at birth (Yes not go into the "they choose to be gay" - that is a cop out)?
Murderers, rapist, thieves and the like hurt others and society. Gays don't. Why invest with them the same or similar abject disapproval?
In the approach of calling it fair, if a fundamentalist Christian with negative views on gay people were to illustrate contempt then at what point is retaliation from those insulted parties, allowable? We ought not suggest that gay people ought to be defenseless against anti-gay rhetoric or not? (regardless of whether it is hidden under the cowardly veil of a stated belief, or not).

I am sure I would be amazed at the answers and get an insight.
As said these are pretty simple and easy questions. Ought not take too much for a person to back their position and why on the basis of these questions.

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19 Feb 2011, 9:21 am

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19 Feb 2011, 10:17 am

Umbongo wrote:

I do not think two men or two women should be together, but this is not because of my religious beliefs. Even if I were not Christian, it would still be clear to me that a man is intended to be with a woman and vice versa. I am not intolerant of anyone though, I simply believe it is wrong

Was Jesus a tolerant sort of chap?

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19 Feb 2011, 10:36 am

pandabear wrote:

Umbongo wrote:

Was Jesus a tolerant sort of chap?

I think any Christian worth their salt would back this premise.

Umbongo I would suggest your Christianity probably plays a rather large part in your perception

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16 Oct 2012, 10:23 am

Here is another example

http://www.afa.net/Detail.aspx?id=2147527678

The American Family Association denouncing "Mix-It-Up Day" as "an entry-level 'diversity' program designed specifically by SPCL to establish the acceptance of homosexuality into public schools, including elementary and junior high schools."

Here is the Southern Poverty Law Center on the "Mix-It-Up Day"

http://www.splcenter.org/registration-o ... -lunch-day

It actually looks like a good idea. It doesn't mention homosexuality at all. But, the American Family Association is so obsessed with buggery that they wish to interpret this as an event to recruit children into homosexuality.

Some children might catch cooties if they sit with someone new at lunch. And, some lunch tables are bound to have homosexual orgies, especially if jocks go and mix it up with nerds.

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16 Oct 2012, 1:37 pm

LKL wrote:

to be fair, a lot of Muslims fixate on homosexuality too.

To a much larger degree than Christians, too.

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16 Oct 2012, 3:50 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:

LKL wrote:

to be fair, a lot of Muslims fixate on homosexuality too.

To a much larger degree than Christians, too.

Are there any Moslems who perceive "Mix-It-Up Day" as a program to recruit impressionable youths into homosexual bondage? Some Christians are just going over the top, and seeing a homosexual threat in everything. Including their breakfast cereals.

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16 Oct 2012, 4:00 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

LKL wrote:

to be fair, a lot of Muslims fixate on homosexuality too.

To a much larger degree than Christians, too.

Maybe not in the US, but hosting such an event in Iran or Saudi Arabia would probably *slightly* offend someone somewhere

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Oh, and I stand by my claim that using the word "Moslem" rather than "Muslim" is rude...

And you forgot Tinky Winky, The Dark Lord of Homosexual Grooming of Innocent Children of Infallible Evangelicals!

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16 Oct 2012, 4:35 pm

Tinky Winky even seduced Jerry Falwell

I've never seen him smile so placidy

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