03 Feb 2012, 4:56 am
Vigilans wrote:
cw10 wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
The founders of the US wanted a state separate from the church and of secular nature. Are they communists? 
The founders of the US constitution wanted a separation of powers. There is religion in the state, but there is no state religion. The founders feared not the state influencing the church, but the church influencing the state.
Freedom from religion is inherently the state influencing the church just by it's very nature.
No kidding they did not want influence from the church on the state, that was entirely my point!
Freedom from religion is the state guaranteeing no religious groups can have authority over the governance of a nation that is full of diverse religious and philosophical beliefs. The church is not an authority comparable to a state and has to answer to the government. It is not above the law and neither are religious beliefs. Religious beliefs are not untouchable. Your religious beliefs should have no effect on my life anymore than some Muslim's should have on yours
Communist state atheism as practiced by those regimes that engaged in violent repression is not in any way equivalent to this
If you are free from pain, you can never feel pain. If you are free of pain you are currently not feeling pain.
See the difference?
03 Feb 2012, 5:04 am
03 Feb 2012, 9:34 am
03 Feb 2012, 4:58 pm
cw10 wrote:
abacacus wrote:
cw10 wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
The founders of the US wanted a state separate from the church and of secular nature. Are they communists?
The founders of the US constitution wanted a separation of powers. There is religion in the state, but there is no state religion. The founders feared not the state influencing the church, but the church influencing the state.
Freedom from religion is inherently the state influencing the church just by it's very nature.
What? I have never heard such rubbish in my life.
Freedom from religion is the lack of any laws that are grounded in a religion. Sodomy laws, gay marriage laws, prohibition, blasphemy, state mandated religion, that sort of thing.
You fail to understand, and for that I fail to teach you.
You haven't taught me anything, but you've certainly reaffirmed my belief that the sooner the human race evolves past such crutches as religion the better.
03 Feb 2012, 8:40 pm
abacacus wrote:
cw10 wrote:
abacacus wrote:
cw10 wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
The founders of the US wanted a state separate from the church and of secular nature. Are they communists?
The founders of the US constitution wanted a separation of powers. There is religion in the state, but there is no state religion. The founders feared not the state influencing the church, but the church influencing the state.
Freedom from religion is inherently the state influencing the church just by it's very nature.
What? I have never heard such rubbish in my life.
Freedom from religion is the lack of any laws that are grounded in a religion. Sodomy laws, gay marriage laws, prohibition, blasphemy, state mandated religion, that sort of thing.
You fail to understand, and for that I fail to teach you.
You haven't taught me anything, but you've certainly reaffirmed my belief that the sooner the human race evolves past such crutches as religion the better.
It's pretty obvious 90% of humanity is brain damaged. You're no exception.
03 Feb 2012, 9:53 pm
03 Feb 2012, 10:10 pm
abacacus wrote:
Brain damaged?!?
Pray tell what my brain damage is. Is it free thought? A belief in science? A belief in freedom? How is my brain damaged?
Pray tell what my brain damage is. Is it free thought? A belief in science? A belief in freedom? How is my brain damaged?
According to some patrons of Wrong Planet we have no free thought, and belief is acceptance without evidence. So you tell me.
04 Feb 2012, 4:43 am
cw10 wrote:
abacacus wrote:
cw10 wrote:
abacacus wrote:
cw10 wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
The founders of the US wanted a state separate from the church and of secular nature. Are they communists?
The founders of the US constitution wanted a separation of powers. There is religion in the state, but there is no state religion. The founders feared not the state influencing the church, but the church influencing the state.
Freedom from religion is inherently the state influencing the church just by it's very nature.
What? I have never heard such rubbish in my life.
Freedom from religion is the lack of any laws that are grounded in a religion. Sodomy laws, gay marriage laws, prohibition, blasphemy, state mandated religion, that sort of thing.
You fail to understand, and for that I fail to teach you.
You haven't taught me anything, but you've certainly reaffirmed my belief that the sooner the human race evolves past such crutches as religion the better.
It's pretty obvious 90% of humanity is brain damaged. You're no exception.
cw10, please don't insult people on this forum in this manner, it is highly disrespectful.
Secondly, your posts in this thread have a common theme, they lack coherent thought, rationality, or logic. You may not, and likely don't, understand that what you are saying simply fails on every possible level to make any sense at all.
I personally recommend that you reevaluate your core capabilities, and set for yourself some goals for personal improvement along the lines of learning deductive reasoning, sound judgment, avoiding logical fallacies, etc. Once you learn the basics on how to form a true statement, and a logically sound argument, you will likely find increased success at both understanding other people, and getting them to understand you.
04 Feb 2012, 6:50 am
NarcissusSavage wrote:
cw10 wrote:
abacacus wrote:
cw10 wrote:
abacacus wrote:
cw10 wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
The founders of the US wanted a state separate from the church and of secular nature. Are they communists?
The founders of the US constitution wanted a separation of powers. There is religion in the state, but there is no state religion. The founders feared not the state influencing the church, but the church influencing the state.
Freedom from religion is inherently the state influencing the church just by it's very nature.
What? I have never heard such rubbish in my life.
Freedom from religion is the lack of any laws that are grounded in a religion. Sodomy laws, gay marriage laws, prohibition, blasphemy, state mandated religion, that sort of thing.
You fail to understand, and for that I fail to teach you.
You haven't taught me anything, but you've certainly reaffirmed my belief that the sooner the human race evolves past such crutches as religion the better.
It's pretty obvious 90% of humanity is brain damaged. You're no exception.
cw10, please don't insult people on this forum in this manner, it is highly disrespectful.
Secondly, your posts in this thread have a common theme, they lack coherent thought, rationality, or logic. You may not, and likely don't, understand that what you are saying simply fails on every possible level to make any sense at all.
I personally recommend that you reevaluate your core capabilities, and set for yourself some goals for personal improvement along the lines of learning deductive reasoning, sound judgment, avoiding logical fallacies, etc. Once you learn the basics on how to form a true statement, and a logically sound argument, you will likely find increased success at both understanding other people, and getting them to understand you.
Or it's possible that you don't understand English. It's not uncommon. Many times have I called into India looking for answers to seemingly easily solvable issues such as "my phone has not registered the prepaid minutes I paid for", unable to understand my seemingly incoherent ramblings, I was then connected to the retention department with an individual who understands and speaks English, and within 5 minutes my issue was resolved.
You and some people on this forum are no different, however I will make amends to those who do not speak English as a first language or even a second language for it seems it's impossible to understand even under the best circumstances. Phrases such as "Pull" clearly labeled on a door ignored where people try to push.
Is it that difficult to understand the difference between the words "of" and "from"?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" at least in the establishment clause of the US constitution. That does not mean America has protected rights to be free from religion, merely the state will not interfere with whatever you hold true as long as you respect the laws of the land. No one has immunity to be free from being offended by anything or anyone. Be it a nativity scene or some nut on a train shouting about Jesus, and this offends Atheists because it's written in their religion one must respect and not offend anyone. Apparently doing so overcooks the pasta.
04 Feb 2012, 7:26 am
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