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25 May 2012, 4:12 pm

Xenu wrote:
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Like I said, there are government funded programs (which there shouldn't be) which allow people who are poor or with disabilities to get free schooling. And you're right, I don't necessarily know how your life has been but I do know that you aren't trying now because you've straight up said this. Sometimes you just have to force yourself through things no matter how hard it may seem at the time because the reward is worth it.


It's your opinion there should not be, its not a fact that there shouldn't be...and most evidence points to having a social safety network being a good thing. And I am not trying what exactly? to figure crap out so I can live my life? cause last I checked I am...college didn't work, I cannot function well enough for a job so for now I have to look for other options.

I'd like to be able to earn my own money, but I don't see how to do that if I can't function on a job. Having a social safety network is good for when that sort of thing happens so that people who can't work can have something to live on. I have pushed myself, and too hard so now I have to pay for that........so don't tell me about not trying hard enough. And what reward anyways?


I'm not going to continue this argument because it's just excuses and it will just result in this thread turning into a massive flame war.


Well maybe you should not have made assumptions about me, then there never would have been an argument in the first place. the debate probably would have stayed on my disagreeing with your notion people on welfare should be deported and have their right to vote removed.


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25 May 2012, 4:53 pm

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I'm not going to continue this argument because it's just excuses and it will just result in this thread turning into a massive flame war.


Far be it from me to question you motivations.

But from where I sit, it looks like you are an ill-informed and opinionated, and this is merely your last piece of bravado since you've encountered an audience who are not prepared to accept the line of rubbish that you've chosen to spew.

But perhaps you do just want to avoid a flame war. :roll:


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25 May 2012, 4:55 pm

visagrunt wrote:
Xenu wrote:
I'm not going to continue this argument because it's just excuses and it will just result in this thread turning into a massive flame war.


Far be it from me to question you motivations.

But from where I sit, it looks like you are an ill-informed and opinionated, and this is merely your last piece of bravado since you've encountered an audience who are not prepared to accept the line of rubbish that you've chosen to spew.

But perhaps you do just want to avoid a flame war. :roll:

As he said earlier he was just giving his logical and intelligent reasoning


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25 May 2012, 5:01 pm

Delphiki wrote:
visagrunt wrote:
Xenu wrote:
I'm not going to continue this argument because it's just excuses and it will just result in this thread turning into a massive flame war.


Far be it from me to question you motivations.

But from where I sit, it looks like you are an ill-informed and opinionated, and this is merely your last piece of bravado since you've encountered an audience who are not prepared to accept the line of rubbish that you've chosen to spew.

But perhaps you do just want to avoid a flame war. :roll:

As he said earlier he was just giving his(in his opinion) logical and intelligent reasoning


there fixed it for you.


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25 May 2012, 6:04 pm

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It's theft to use our tax dollars for abusing a safety net. It's called a safety net for a reason and you aren't supposed to live off it. Do you know how many programs there are for poorer or disabled people to get free college? Therefore there is no reason to say it's not because of bad decisions. Also it should be mentioned that most (not all but most) people on welfare tend to be pretty damn unintelligent and easily manipulated so they just vote for whoever has the prettier commercials, it's why (and many others) also think there should be a simple IQ test you have to take when you register to vote. Just a simple reading comprehension test or something.


What are you supposed to live off if you have access issues to employment, fresh air? No. You just what a high wire act without any safety nets, don't you?

Do you have any evidence to back up your claim about welfare and intelligence? I guessing that your sources of information are right wing neoliberal propaganda machines in the mainstream media like the Daily Mail.

What you are advocating is simply stigmatization and discrimination! A simple level of reading comprehension by reading all the posts in this thread to date, would of made you aware of that fact!

Edit: Disenfranchisement via intelligence testing is IMHO a bloody stupid idea as it goes against the very idea of universal suffrage.


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26 May 2012, 2:47 pm

Xenu wrote:
It's just kind of something obvious, have you ever talked to the average person on welfare?


What is the average person on welfare? Please, fill us in. The only thing obvious here is you are talking out of your cloaca

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Well English of course, while there is no official language the majority of people here speak english and if you refuse to take the time to learn it then it shows you are lazy.


Your grammar is not particularly stellar, you must be lazy and worthless

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We shouldn't have to cater to everybody else just because they don't want to take the time to try and make themselves successful. And well I personally think we should get rid of welfare entirely, and I don't what was stated earlier because the best solution is just to deport people who don't contribute and feel the need to mooch off our tax dollars.


Deport them where? Maybe you would volunteer your backyard? Also, what do you do that makes you feel you can judge people's contributions? Are you some kind of super productive citizen? Tbh, you look like a welfare stereotype in your little photo there; I thought I should let you know, since surface impressions are so paramount to your worldview


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27 May 2012, 12:41 pm

All this talk about punishing moochers fails to address the fact that governments want and demand a reserve army of labour amounting to at least 5% because of this ridiculous idea that unemployment less than that will cause "accelerating inflation". So you have this mandated reserve army of labour and there are people in it who of course are then denounced as "moochers" who ought to be punished. It doesn't seem very fair at all. Governments decided to create a reserve army of labour and they need to keep those people alive of course, otherwise they'd have to create new unemployment in order to replace the dying members of the reserve army in order to fight the mythical beast of "accelerating inflation".

Such a plan isn't unlike sending people to death camps though, and why? For price stability!