US Government wants to take firearms away by force!
If you want to use a driving analogy: yes there are very many unsafe drivers out there. Reducing or eliminating driver's education regulations would definitely increase that number. And before you say anything more about your right to own a gun, I have never disputed that it was your right. I fully support the fact that owning a gun is an irrefutable constitutional right.
Your stance that it is the owner and not the weapon that is unsafe is one that I agree with wholeheartedly as well. That does not mean I am opposed to every past, present, or future discussion of legislation, regulation, or law that could ever possibly be conceived of involving firearms.
I did say that I would no longer post about the realistic possibility of the government seizing your weapons. I changed my mind when I began reading some of your poor metaphors and my curiosity was peaked. I just wanted to see how far down the rabbit hole all this takes us. I will continue to post here as long as you do. As I've said before, I have both the time and the patience for it.
Being bothered is not the same thing as being irritated. Irritation indicates a higher magnitude.
I have seen the comparison that 2+2=3 made many times in many different arguments, and see no validity to the comparison when used on any side on any topic. It is absurdist logic at best.
I was not trying to get you to change your stance on what weapons you wouldn't mind being deregulated, I just wanted you to define your stance, which you have now done. Thank you.
Now hopefully you know:
-I am not in favor of a gun ban, especially an arbitrary magazine size restriction. I do, however, believe that you should have some justification for semi-automatics and above other than "none of your nusiness." (Merely a personal opinion, like most of these are).
-I am very much in favor of the constitutional right of citizens to bear arms.
-I am a gun owner. I have experience with guns, gun safety, and gun owners. I am not anti-gun, nor do I want anyone to take your (or my) guns away.
-I have never demanded a mandatory training program, but I am also not entirely against it on the grounds that I personally believe it would improve the overall gun safety in this country. I am more than happy with expanding the availability and number of current gun safety programs in lieu of this, but have seen only limited efforts to this effect. Perhaps if a little less money was spent on promoting fear of regulation and a little more on educating people that guns aren't the enemy . . .
-I am not opposed to a national gun registry. My opinion is based on the fact that I personally believe there should be some sort of accountability for firearms after they have exchanged hands. Legislation would not be my ideal way of addressing this issue, but it the only realistic way that I have seen anyone propose to date. If you have a better idea of how to address these concerns of mine, I am more than happy to hear it. An additional viewpoint of mine on this matter is that the concern for personal information is somewhat pointless, as your personal information is already on file with government agencies, your internet provider, your internet browser's company, your social media websites, phone companies, any organizations that you are a member of, healthcare providers, pharmacies, insurance companies, data mining companies, and a whole host of other big businesses; all of which could abuse/misuse the information.
-I am 100 % in favor of mandatory universal background checks. I really don't think there should be a legal loophole for gun shows. I purchased my first post-military gun at a "gun show" held by the owner of a Virginia store, in the back of his store. There were four people there, including him. I just have the personal opinion that it should be as difficult as possible for convicted violent criminals and persons on a terror watchlist to obtain weapons.
-I am not okay with the deregulation of explosives.
-I support programs and regulations that promote safety in this country. This is by no means exclusive to firearms.
*edit for minor correction
Yes, of course, ban them all.
Do it for the children.
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I don’t know how you came up with the notion of the NRA being fanatical.
Probably because they come out with crazy ideas like this:
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013 ... staff?lite
Rather than dealing with the problem (people with guns who want to shoot children), they decide to give teachers guns.
This article satires that bizarre viewpoint rather nicely: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 88137.html
Yes, evry1 nos that al teechers eegerly await tha oppertoonitee 2 shute stoodints in ther clas rumes .
If we band gunz no 1 wood evr dye.
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- Thomas Jefferson
Act 226 of 2013 allows students and faculty that have permits to carry,to bring their firearms on public and private Ark. universities.It goes into effect Aug 16.Most of the universities have
voted and decided not to allow staff or students to carry.The reason is that they already have armed security.But at least they got to decide for themselves.But you can still bring your gun to church.
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If you want to use a driving analogy: yes there are very many unsafe drivers out there. Reducing or eliminating driver's education regulations would definitely increase that number. And before you say anything more about your right to own a gun, I have never disputed that it was your right. I fully support the fact that owning a gun is an irrefutable constitutional right.
Your stance that it is the owner and not the weapon that is unsafe is one that I agree with wholeheartedly as well. That does not mean I am opposed to every past, present, or future discussion of legislation, regulation, or law that could ever possibly be conceived of involving firearms.
I did say that I would no longer post about the realistic possibility of the government seizing your weapons. I changed my mind when I began reading some of your poor metaphors and my curiosity was peaked. I just wanted to see how far down the rabbit hole all this takes us. I will continue to post here as long as you do. As I've said before, I have both the time and the patience for it.
Being bothered is not the same thing as being irritated. Irritation indicates a higher magnitude.
I have seen the comparison that 2+2=3 made many times in many different arguments, and see no validity to the comparison when used on any side on any topic. It is absurdist logic at best.
I was not trying to get you to change your stance on what weapons you wouldn't mind being deregulated, I just wanted you to define your stance, which you have now done. Thank you.
Now hopefully you know:
-I am not in favor of a gun ban, especially an arbitrary magazine size restriction. I do, however, believe that you should have some justification for semi-automatics and above other than "none of your nusiness." (Merely a personal opinion, like most of these are).
-I am very much in favor of the constitutional right of citizens to bear arms.
-I am a gun owner. I have experience with guns, gun safety, and gun owners. I am not anti-gun, nor do I want anyone to take your (or my) guns away.
-I have never demanded a mandatory training program, but I am also not entirely against it on the grounds that I personally believe it would improve the overall gun safety in this country. I am more than happy with expanding the availability and number of current gun safety programs in lieu of this, but have seen only limited efforts to this effect. Perhaps if a little less money was spent on promoting fear of regulation and a little more on educating people that guns aren't the enemy . . .
-I am not opposed to a national gun registry. My opinion is based on the fact that I personally believe there should be some sort of accountability for firearms after they have exchanged hands. Legislation would not be my ideal way of addressing this issue, but it the only realistic way that I have seen anyone propose to date. If you have a better idea of how to address these concerns of mine, I am more than happy to hear it. An additional viewpoint of mine on this matter is that the concern for personal information is somewhat pointless, as your personal information is already on file with government agencies, your internet provider, your internet browser's company, your social media websites, phone companies, any organizations that you are a member of, healthcare providers, pharmacies, insurance companies, data mining companies, and a whole host of other big businesses; all of which could abuse/misuse the information.
-I am 100 % in favor of mandatory universal background checks. I really don't think there should be a legal loophole for gun shows. I purchased my first post-military gun at a "gun show" held by the owner of a Virginia store, in the back of his store. There were four people there, including him. I just have the personal opinion that it should be as difficult as possible for convicted violent criminals and persons on a terror watchlist to obtain weapons.
-I am not okay with the deregulation of explosives.
-I support programs and regulations that promote safety in this country. This is by no means exclusive to firearms.
*edit for minor correction
Yes, of course, ban them all.
Do it for the children.
I did not call for a ban.
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I don’t know how you came up with the notion of the NRA being fanatical.
Probably because they come out with crazy ideas like this:
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013 ... staff?lite
Rather than dealing with the problem (people with guns who want to shoot children), they decide to give teachers guns.
This article satires that bizarre viewpoint rather nicely: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 88137.html
Yes, evry1 nos that al teechers eegerly await tha oppertoonitee 2 shute stoodints in ther clas rumes .
If we band gunz no 1 wood evr dye.
No one said that all teachers were eagerly awaiting the opportunity to shoot students in their classrooms or anything even remotely similar.
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voted and decided not to allow staff or students to carry.The reason is that they already have armed security.But at least they got to decide for themselves.But you can still bring your gun to church.
I didnt know there were ever any specific laws on guns and churches other than rules, if any, the churches themselves imposed.
An armed society is a polite society.
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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02 ... ernor?lite
The church does get the final say,like the individual universities.
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The church does get the final say,like the individual universities.
Come to think of it, we've had guns in church threads before.
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voted and decided not to allow staff or students to carry.The reason is that they already have armed security.But at least they got to decide for themselves.But you can still bring your gun to church.
I didnt know there were ever any specific laws on guns and churches other than rules, if any, the churches themselves imposed.
An armed society is a polite society.
An armed society may not be more polite than an unarmed one. There are plenty of instances in history and current cultures that could be used to argue this.
To be honest with you, I have encountered many gun owners who would seem to contradict this viewpoint entirely. Perhaps people with guns don't feel like they need to be polite, since they can intimidate people who call them out.
And if you want to be so vocal about your opinions on gun laws and regulations, maybe you should do a little more research to see what is already on the books. Reading about laws that other people/organizations say exist/don't exist may not be entirely accurate (not to mention some pretty wild misconceptions about what existing laws actually contain).
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/\ Yes, indeed. I'm impolite and uncivil and I shoot people all the time. I knocked off two just today and the day aint even over yet. My weekly average for killings is 15. Was 25 but with the ammo shortages I've had to conserve.
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As usual, your response has little to do with what you are responding to.
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Yah me to I have had to use mini bolt guns instead of our usual glock17 to settle our gentleman disputes

Yah me to I have had to use mini bolt guns instead of our usual glock17 to settle our gentleman disputes

You mean one of theses?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1yFS3bBCJY[/youtube]
Why didn't I think of that? All this time I've been wasting ammo when all I needed was compressed air.
Dummy me

Well, I'm gonna order me one of them captive bolt guns and put it to good use.

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