Misogyny/MRA is a sign of weakness

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The problem is the social expectations that force these roles on men and women because of their gender. Some men are better caretakers, and some women are better at making money. Yet society stigmatizes women who don't get married and have kids, and society stigmatizes men who aren't traditional "providers" (and women are as guilty of this prejudice as men); therefore, there is a lot of pressure on women to do things that distract from a career, like raising children, a problem exacerbated by the lack of a decent public daycare system in the U.S./UK, which partly contributes to the pay disparity. But it's still sexism. It's just more deeply embedded sexism.

So you have a combination between society's sexism and an actual glass ceiling (which may or may not be overstated, depending on the field), and that's the were the pay disparity comes from. It's still sexism, even if some of the contributors to it look like individual choice.

Anyway, the whole point of this thread was that given that men have all these advantages, I'm curious why some men would get bitter and say women have it better. These must not be men who are able to take full advantage of the patriarchy because, everywhere I look, men have higher-paying jobs and little trouble dating because men in high-prestige jobs are typically swarmed by women looking to get into their pants; it's more than just their money; it's the aura of power and attractiveness they give off. Men who do not experience this or recognize the patriarchy for what it is and how it benefits them are clearly lacking in personal qualities possessed by a significant % of other men.

I would compare MRA's and gender to an analogous situation involving socio-economics. For example, to a WASP rich kid who alienates her wealthy parents and ends up homeless on the streets washed out by MDMA. Then, she sees poor minority classmates going to college and even a few going to Harvard and Yale, and she says, "poor minorities have it easier." No, they don't. You have to look outside yourself at the full picture. She had every advantage in the world in America's f**** up corporatist classist society but blew them all. On AVERAGE, WASP kids do much better than poor minorities from a socio-economic point of view. Those WASP kids who do poorly are simply losers.

And further more, I don't have a hard time. I am only 19, and I am finding a job while trying to turn my blacksmithing hobby into a real etsy business. You are almost living not just in one moment, but in one ideal for everyone who ever lived. I see kids going to college and make friends with them.

I didn't say all women, and it is still enough for a right to an easier time, even asexual women have to deal with horny men, so stop living in your own world.

I don't date women who don't want a serious relationship, I know what I want, I'm not some lost puppy. Why date for no reason at all?

I think you got friend zoning and dating confused.

Plus, why would I talk to you when I could just find a woman who agrees with me? Then I could marry he, and you would have nothing to say.

Since when did men stop wanting to pass on their dna, not much of an alpha are you. Thing is, Alphas WANT children, not the other way around.

Wolves are getting more traditional than we are..... I could say so many things, I want a woman who wants me and my values so she is happy, not so she can be a housewife, but even that wouldn't matter.

Sex doesn't appeal to me unless it has the chance to make my hypothetical wife pregnant or satisfied with her litter she currently has.