What do you think about abortion

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Honestly I think it is the US government that is ending people off to die. The conservatives push the idea but it is the government and congress that decides the fate of American troops. At the end of the day the President can make a decision that congress can overturn. Honestly, maybe there are some people who control the government behind the scenes. Congress and the President are only puppets.

Honestly the US government has a track record of using soldiers for what they want and then abandoning the ones that come back which was what was going on after Vietnam. The wouldn't dare do this again you would think but they did the same thing to the soldiers that came back from the Gulf War albeit in different ways. They refused to believe in what they call Gulf War Syndrome and also Post Traumatic Stress Disorder experienced by many Gulf war veterans.

Quite simply American soldiers are disposable in the eyes of the US government. Uncle Sam wants you to die, period. US soldiers die for their government's convenience. It is much easier just to round a bunch of naive people to fight your war for you. But at the same time sending Drones is not the answer either because than more innocents die. It is a double edged sword. Take your pick more dead American soldiers or more dead women and children. Neither one justifies the means.

I am not sure why you would sign up to fight in another man's war. I mean they believe they are serving their country and do not realize that they are being used in an elaborate chess game as pawns.

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I have detailed my answers to those questions previously in this thread and given it's descent to this level I am unsure I want to continue to participate. However, in short, I do not agree that a unique human life can be considered property. Secondly, I am an Australian (I study in NY so my location is USA presently) and the truth of falsity of a belief bares precisely no resemblance to its popularity. I have yet to see the correlation of pro-life pro-death penalty demonstrated to exist in my own country, or the most pro-life country in the West, Ireland, so making references from the US seems a bit US-centric.

Socialism is good. Socialism works. Just look at China, Denmark, Finland, Netherlands, Canada, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, New Zealand, and Belgium. Their quality of life has all been improving, while conservatives have been running the US into the ground.

Again to reiterate. Texas is the most anti-abortion, and also the most pro-death penalty state. The two do go hand in hand, and I will not stop pointing out the hypocrisy of it.

Sure, so when you escape your cosmic look feel free to read the post about how I am not American and that I agree with you that it is hypocritical. I did respond to you, it is on the bottom of the last page, so I am not sure why you are responding to the same post twice.

Actually the only one you listed that is a real socialist state is China. There are only four true socialist states (based on Marxist-Leninist) in the world right now: China, Laos, Vietnam, and Cuba. The rest of the ones listed are mainly Democratic with some socialist ideas but they cannot be considered true socialist states because they are not constitutionally dedicated to creating a socialist society.

What I am saying about conservatives is eventually they will be interested in changing the constitution to allow for a socialist society. A true Leninist-Marxist socialist society. And we have seen how that just does not work. Right now America is only flirting with a Democracy that has some socialist aspects but is not yet a true socialist state. Believe me you do not want a true socialist state. You think the government controls you now you have not seen nothing yet.

Honestly you can see how many countries under the United Nations are now flirting with socialist ideas. This means that eventually the United Nations will become a world Socialist government with the purpose of wiping out millions of the population because humanity is destroying the Earth. Only the ones in power and ones they choose will be around to see the future once the socialist takeover begins. In America every single gun owner will be executed and the ones who submit will be lucky to end up in forced labor camps. Anyone who tries to rise up against this will be executed. There is a reason why epidemic zombie movies have become so popular. If you are interested just look up World War Z conspiracy. And yes this is just a theory with not too much basis in fact. Maybe its far fetched but the interest in socialism is on the rise and I could see this happening honestly. It is not out of the realm of possibility that the United Nations has an interest in socialism and forcing it upon the world. Also, the idea of a mass extermination has been around for awhile as a popular conspiracy theory.

Last I heard, both sides of the political spectrum are for war. You'll see throughout history that most tend to be for it. I'm sure most don't want their own side to suffer casualties though, just the other side/undesirables.

Death penalty is punishment for those who perpetrate serious offenses, such as murder. That has nothing to do with whether people wish to kill developing humans or not.

No hypocrisy there.

If you do some research you will find plenty of correlation of pro-life and pro-death penalty. It's really not debatable.

Pro-life and Pro-Capital Punishment
Contradiction in Terms?

Like Rick Perry, most ‘pro-life’ Americans OK with death penalty

No, you are making a common mistake and confusing communism with socialism. They are not the same. Though now that I think about it, I shouldn't have put China on that list.

But only one side of the political spectrum call themselves pro-life. But they are pro-life only when it suits them. Which means that they are hypocrites.

It is time to shut down every abortion clinic. Honestly just throw them all in jail. As long as abortion is legal there will be doctors like that one who wrongfully killed all those babies. He was killing them after they were already born or some crazy thing like that. Dr. Kermit Gosnell was his name. He is getting life in prison. He also killed a woman who was in her second trimester during her abortion. Honestly the pro-lifers were clamoring for the death penalty but Pennsylvania does not allow the death penalty. This man was a butcher. They should just exile him somewhere on some island and let him fend for himself. Why waste the taxpayers money on this filth.

It is time to shut down every school. Honestly, just throw all the teachers in jail. As long as education is legal, there will be teachers who sexually assault their pupils, like John Alway. Honestly, the Daily Mail readers were clamouring for the death penalty...

I know that you and the USA are the kings of the world, but it sometimes happens that foreign countries like mine, decide on our own HOW WE WANT TO CALL OUR SYSTEM, and we know that we are criminals by not agreeing to your godwill, but we really dare to ignore you and your US communismphobia, and call ourselves social-democratic for years and are proud about it, without asking you for allowance.

If you want the short essence of our system in short words: First you care that everyone has the minimum for living, means food, a home, health insurance, emergeny rent, general schools for kids...thats the social part. And after doing that everyone is free to get as rich as he wants, thats the free democratic part.

As far as I know there are about 140 different ideas of what socialism means, because even communists couldnt agree about that, when founding communism. So if you allow, we will call our socialism the way we want, without asking you if it agrees with your personal view on socialism, and if someone dares to call our system the way we do it, this is completely ok and he doesnt need to ask you, if you allow him to call our system the name we gave it.

We simply have a moderate form of socialism, just as the USA has a moderate form of liberalism/capitalism. The extreme form of socialism is the regimes you knew, the extrem form of liberalism/capitalism you can see in various areas in the world, where no governmental right exists and things are decided by the weapon force you have. So that warlords in africa, that dont need to bow themselves before any governmental law, but also have none to protect them, those are truly free and independent people, so according to your explanation, when you are only allowed to call yourself something if you are truly blind and lunatic about it, the USA needed to change the name of their system as well, because of it being normal and moderate, just as our system is normal and moderate. My personal oppinion that there is nothing bad about being moderate, because the moment you tart being lunatic, you get blind about the bad sides of the topic you are lunatic about, and that means that you dont work anymore on making it better.

If you can see now, what is already happening since 1930, I congratulate you.

The United Nations is no government, so it never can become a socialist government. It can become an instituion with many socialist members...oh it is already since decades.... Targeting the wiping out of millions: The last time around here that millions have been wiped out, it was when Nazis forbid the socialists, banned them by doing so out of the government, and reached so for power, while the socialists were killed and forced to go into concentration camps.

Socialist and conservatives are in most european countries very equal strong. So since decades there are countries where socialits have slightly more voters, and countries where conservatives have slightly more voters. In my country the socialists have slightly more since almost around 30 years. So I dont know if you stepped yesterday out of the time machine, but the "once the socialists takeover" has started in my country, around 30 years ago, and right now they dont seem to have the topic "wiping out millions" but are discussing as usual how much minimum loans shall be increased, a new mixed school form, and a higerh maximum tax for millionaires. So business as usual.

Yes I am sure, our 12 airplanes will f**k down america completly and then we will go to every of your house, and threaten you with playing "Volksmusik" and "Polka" until you give us your weapons.

Yeah...could you sell us the amount of bullets first, before we kill you? I think we hardly have that much bullets around here, weapon laws are pretty strict.

Because people are f****d up that romantid teenagerstories ruined vampires and so you cant do any good horrorfilms with them anymore?

Yop, as a true socialist, with a grandaunt that was a political actor in the real socialistic communist party, I can see the great advantage that a world of dead people, that try to eat me, according with nuclear falldown because of noncared nuclear reactors and the complete destruction of our technical-, agrar-, energy- and every other -system brings me. None?

Yeah...UNO: Not even capable to f**k up a single warlord, but it woll conquer the world. Right.



Yop. Elvis Presley being still alive is another one.

Speaking as a former school teacher, I'd say that's really not a bad idea. Off-topic, I know, in my experience it was mostly administrators who prefer meddling to actual leading that are more at fault for poor school performance. And don't even get me started on the politics of the whole thing...

But yes, if we're going to have public schools, fix 'em. And overhaul child welfare while you're at it. Juvie is too often preferable to foster homes.

Relating back to the abortion topic, you could say, of course, that abortion would reduce the number of children in failed public school systems (which is false) and in foster care. By the same token, you could also say that the Holocaust reduced the number of Jews stealing jobs from the German people...