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06 Aug 2013, 8:09 pm

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It only proves that you if you are exceptionally self-centred. You are just one person, and your views stand in stark contrast to the views of the majority of Muslims in the world. I have provided evidence for this. You have not.

Ad hominem = discussion over. You lost by default (standard rules of argumentation).

An ad hominem argument is not a fallacy when the opponent makes him/herself the point of the argument, which you just did:

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I operate the largest Ṣūfī Muslim resource on the web. My "concept of what is Islam is compared to ... the vast majority of Muslims" is better than fair.

I guess logic - just as knowledge about Islam - isn't your strongest suit.



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06 Aug 2013, 9:02 pm

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I guess logic - just as knowledge about Islam - isn't your strongest suit.


You lost the argument, again and again, a long time ago. I just let it drag on. My bad. :lol:


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07 Aug 2013, 12:15 am

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All the same to me. Traditionalists support tradition. That's how they are wired. Tell them to worship Cthulhu riding an Ox and as long as it's traditional they'll go right along with it, They'll jump up and down and say it makes perfect sense.


King Abdullah II is a traditional Muslim. Traditionalism and Islamism are divergent schools of thought in Sunnī Islām.


I meant traditionalist in a broader sense. People who accept their cultural traditions and don't stray too far from them regardless of the variation they select. Pentecostals and Catholics would also go into the same pot in this sense, regardless of which listens to Rome, converts, or handles snakes.



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07 Aug 2013, 5:26 am

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07 Aug 2013, 6:18 am

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As I said, the Islāmists, who seem to get a lot of press, do not represent the views of most Muslims.


The British media gives a disproportionate amount of coverage to a small handful of Muslims, many of which have either committed crimes or are considered to be controversial or unpopular individuals by a high proportion of the rank and file Muslims. Supporting political Islam is one thing but they way they implement it is a completely different thing. The media is sensationalist and rarely gives good press to a Muslim unless they follow a watered down form of Islam, and openly announce that they defend western secular liberal principles and the nation of Israel.

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Let's look at some common definitions of Islamism:


Islamism and Islamist are colloquial terms coined by the mainstream media post 911. They lack a clear and precise definition and are usually used in a derogatory sense by non-Muslims criticising the ideology or actions of Muslims. Very few Muslims ever use the words themselves in their own works in a similar way to how black people rarely refer to themselves as n****rs because they consider it to be a colloquial and derogatory term.



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07 Aug 2013, 9:39 am

Certain black people do refer to themselves in that way actually.



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07 Aug 2013, 9:45 am

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I meant traditionalist in a broader sense. People who accept their cultural traditions and don't stray too far from them regardless of the variation they select. Pentecostals and Catholics would also go into the same pot in this sense, regardless of which listens to Rome, converts, or handles snakes.


Okay. Traditional Islām, as the term is now commonly used, is basically modern Sunnī Islām. al-Salāfiyāh (the Salafīs or Islāmists), generally speaking, accuse the Traditional Muslims of apostasy.


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07 Aug 2013, 9:55 am

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The British media gives a disproportionate amount of coverage to a small handful of Muslims, many of which have either committed crimes or are considered to be controversial or unpopular individuals by a high proportion of the rank and file Muslims.


Same with the American mass media. It provides fodder for the Islāmaphobes.

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Supporting political Islam is one thing but they way they implement it is a completely different thing. The media is sensationalist and rarely gives good press to a Muslim unless they follow a watered down form of Islam, and openly announce that they defend western secular liberal principles and the nation of Israel.


Political Islām is a translation of the Arabic al-Islām al-siyāsī.

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Islamism and Islamist are colloquial terms coined by the mainstream media post 911. They lack a clear and precise definition and are usually used in a derogatory sense by non-Muslims criticising the ideology or actions of Muslims. Very few Muslims ever use the words themselves in their own works in a similar way to how black people rarely refer to themselves as n****rs because they consider it to be a colloquial and derogatory term.


Islāmism is a translation of the Arabic al-Islāmīyah. I commonly use Islāmism because it is, generally, a less objectionable term to most Salāfī Muslims than the word Wahhābī. The term "Salāfī" is virtually unknown to the general public.


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07 Aug 2013, 12:33 pm

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The British media gives a disproportionate amount of coverage to a small handful of Muslims, many of which have either committed crimes or are considered to be controversial or unpopular individuals by a high proportion of the rank and file Muslims.


Same with the American mass media. It provides fodder for the Islāmaphobes.


No, the Islamics themselves provide plenty enough fodder........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks


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07 Aug 2013, 12:48 pm

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No, the Islamics themselves provide plenty enough fodder........


The radical Islāmists, not the "Islāmics."


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07 Aug 2013, 1:02 pm

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No, the Islamics themselves provide plenty enough fodder........


The radical Islāmists, not the "Islāmics."


Uh huh, but it seems to be okay for all Christians to take the rap for "radical" Christians..... :roll:


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07 Aug 2013, 1:46 pm

nominalist wrote:
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The British media gives a disproportionate amount of coverage to a small handful of Muslims, many of which have either committed crimes or are considered to be controversial or unpopular individuals by a high proportion of the rank and file Muslims.


Same with the American mass media. It provides fodder for the Islāmaphobes.

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Supporting political Islam is one thing but they way they implement it is a completely different thing. The media is sensationalist and rarely gives good press to a Muslim unless they follow a watered down form of Islam, and openly announce that they defend western secular liberal principles and the nation of Israel.


Political Islām is a translation of the Arabic al-Islām al-siyāsī.

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Islamism and Islamist are colloquial terms coined by the mainstream media post 911. They lack a clear and precise definition and are usually used in a derogatory sense by non-Muslims criticising the ideology or actions of Muslims. Very few Muslims ever use the words themselves in their own works in a similar way to how black people rarely refer to themselves as n****rs because they consider it to be a colloquial and derogatory term.


Islāmism is a translation of the Arabic al-Islāmīyah. I commonly use Islāmism because it is, generally, a less objectionable term to most Salāfī Muslims than the word Wahhābī. The term "Salāfī" is virtually unknown to the general public.



Yeah well, all these relgions are nothing but nonsens in my opinion and the Islam is no exception to the rule as far as I'm concerned.

I do respect the fact that people are religious but I think that practising a religion is a very private matter that has to be restricted to the privacy of ones own home and the places that where especially build for that purpose. Religions should not play a role of importance in politics, public life and society in general.



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07 Aug 2013, 2:02 pm

Oh wow!
Was that too polically incorrect for the sensitive souls on this forum?

I'm not going to get beheaded now am I ? :compress:



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07 Aug 2013, 2:07 pm

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Uh huh, but it seems to be okay for all Christians to take the rap for "radical" Christians..... :roll:


Huh? You must be confusing me with someone else in your conspiracy theory.


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07 Aug 2013, 3:06 pm

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Uh huh, but it seems to be okay for all Christians to take the rap for "radical" Christians..... :roll:


Huh? You must be confusing me with someone else in your conspiracy theory.


Safe to say, most people don't associate all Christians with the bigotry and malfeasance common among the religious right. Those who do are usually recognized for displaying their ignorance.

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07 Aug 2013, 3:11 pm

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Safe to say, most people don't associate all Christians with the bigotry and malfeasance common among the religious right. Those who do are usually recognized for displaying their ignorance.


I still think that Christianity is a laughable mishmash of insulting and hilarious nonsense that any small child should be able to work out is a load of bollocks. I did.