Can you make assumptions in science?

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David you are a fool. That is all there is to it. We have tried.to explain and demonstrate where you are so badly mistaken, but the fact that you believe there is 200 (or so) year old fraud that is still being meted out on an unsuspecting community by the vast majority of the scientific body, and you snd your cadre of brave souls are the only ones who can see it, tells me you are lost to rational discourse.

You are impervious to the fact that you have not one jot of empirical evidence to back your claims, all you are capable of is making false accusations against science by using nonsense terms such as observable and historical science, and presenting false interpretations of actual science. You are so enthralled by Genesis that you cannot see.the idiocy of your claims. You suggest that assumptions in science are no better than religious dogma. How asinine can you be. Yes assumptions can be wrong. The luminiforous aether being a good case in point. But unlike dogmatic belief, science continuously questions and queries these assumptions and in this particular case it was overthrown, light was no longer seen as being relative to the aether, time was no longer seen as invariant, the speed of massless particles was established, a new invariant property was discovered and hey presto you have gps to use on your farm. Or was Einstein a fool and is spacetime and E=MC2 a load of useless assumptions that have no place in science? Nothing will penetrate the wall of delusion and brainwashing that that you are enveloped in. The only logical understanding I can find for your irrational take on science is that you have conflated Aristotelian and Scholasticideas of "knowing via thought" with modern scientific use of assumptions and a modern take on Axioms. But I doubt it.

In geneREAL, he's referencing Theosophy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophy

Helena Blavatsky is the founder of that mix of philosophy, science, and religion coming together to express TRUTH.

AND yes, I agree with part of what she says but not all of it.

I DO NOT believe that Helena could go about doing GROSS PSYCHIC phenomenon like appearing in two places at one time, and perhaps she was taking the PISS OUT of material reductionists that exist in traditional religions and science, as well, by offering a satire of greater human potential.

Aleister Crowley, did a similar thing in all his mystery school teachings of the Occult, as he loved to make SARCASTIC remarks about those who he felt where NOT as enlightened, as he.

Modern Satanists do the same thing with symbols of ancient myths to trick literalist Christians into getting all bent out of shape, enjoying all the OH MY GOD reactions.

Lucifernarian's reflect the so-called gnostic teachings of Christianity better than modern Christianity.

But at least Aleister Crowley admits that the only law is Love under Will.

Human nature doesn't have to be rocket science OR the world around 'US'.

Will is the survival instinct that all healthy animals possess.

Love is more complicated and MOST complicated when it comes to human beings.

But never the less, it is the greatest force and potential among human beings, in my humble opinion.

And in my opinion LOVE is the force of pro-social emotion conquering con-social emotion by HUMAN WILL OF FORCE.

To focus WILL on the positive connecting forces of life is to grow stronger.

To focus WILL on the negative connecting forces of life is to grow weaker.

And of course a major aspect of this is human emotion and empathy.

To cooperate is to often survive AND grow stronger

To divide and conquer is to often not survive AND grow weaker.

And anyone who goes throwing pejoratives around like everyone who doesn't agree with them is a Narcissist does not impress me.

It is a common weakness that humans use to promote themselves, as better than others.

Knowing truth does not make one better than anyone else

Knowing truth simply makes one more fortunate than some other folks.

Sharing it is human integrity, duty, and ethical behavior all in ONE force to simply help other folks be at peace AND creative, imaginative, to move ahead in this world, to add a verse to the Uni-verse as it exists, instead of remaining stagnant and unproductive human beings.

And perhaps the fact that humans can be inspired to do this altruistic behavior without materialistic reward is proof enough of magic, AND IS PROOF ENOUGH FOR ME, AS one individual who reaps the benefits of this way of human life, every now of now.

And just a final point(S), to be a true fool, is to know a real fool.

That's cryptic too but TRUTH.

And I do enjoy sarcasm and satire too, as it provides vehicles and vessels to inspire folks to think deeper about life WHO CAN.

IT does not appear all CAN but I for one hope that is NOT Truth.

In other words I HOPE IT IS A FALSE ASSUMPTION, PER SYSTEMIZING SCIENCE.

And that is why you will never see me personally attacking anyone here, as 'WE' are ALL on a journey to TRUTH, whether we make it or not.

It is those who lag behind the most who warrant the most help..

The reason I am here, NOW; simply and truthfully put.

But I am a trickster; tHere is NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

And I continue to perfect that ancient and human archetypal practice, as illustrated more fully at the link below, with ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO HIDE.

TO BE A TRUE FOOL IS TO BE TOTALLY FREE HUMAN BEING. ..

THE HIGHEST OF ALL HUMAN ARCHETYPES AS AGREED UPON IN most MYSTERY SCHOOLS.

i JUST DO IT, AS MY FRIENDS AT NIKE SAY. ..

WITH NEVER EVER A REGRET, as my only master IS MOTHER NATURE TRUE AKA GOD2.

AND OF COURSE abiding by all federal, state, and local laws, per the country that is truly under GOD per MORE FULLY expressing human freedoms in the 1st Amendment, per the GOOD OLE' USA.

SO, as Katy Perry exclaimes in her so-called illuminati ritual at the end of her FABULOUS Super-Bowl Half-Time cryptic symbolic EXTRAVAGANZA OF TOTALLY IMAGINATIVE CREATIVE ART, I'LL leave now by repeating her ending exclamation point.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!..

http://katiemiafrederick.com/2015/02/02/3000-miles-of-dance-walking-now/

Well! There you have it! "Science" is whatever the Party ideology says it is. It clearly has nothing to do with observation and reason.

Observation, reason, experiment and falsifiability... as you've said before. Or am I being too anal in being so exacting. Could be. Or perhaps I'm still not being exact enough. I sometimes get caught in a loop of over-correction.

Or... "There are more things...."
Hamlet

As I have been at pains to point out the ideology you pretentiously flog as "science" fails on all counts.

So sorry David, but it can't have been very 'pain'ful, as you have provided almost no detail and even less substance. And the only ideology being flogged is your total prejudice against us and against all efforts to engage you in anything other than your pejorative retorts.

You say you want to discuss science? I don't believe you.

Your whole raison d'être is to throw sticks and stones with every post.

What is it, David? You act like a hunkered down soldier, surrounded by enemy troops, and firing off salvos each time you take a peek over the top of your trench. Are we that mean and horrible looking? Does David need a hug?

So true and seeing the ebb and flow

of the size of my Universe of philosophies..

through the time i spend here..

(:..and not just HERE..

OF this potential of seeing more..

IS what excites me every morning..

EVEN MORE..

TO see enough is never enough for me as one..

i want to see more and more of the Uni-Verse that i for one

know as GOD every now of now....

Science is too slow for me..

for now..

But never the less it

stimulates PART

of my mind..

No thank you. I don't do hugs. A bit of science would be agreeable, though.

I think the centuries ahead will see the humans alive then - if humans are still here - look back on us as we look back on the dark ages now. They will marvel at our ignorance, whether we were scientists or not - maybe especially the scientists.

If you think that time can change facts and logic I very much hope you will explain why and how.

Facts and logic won't change (nor did B19 imply they will) but technology will, enabling new discoveries and allowing observations that are not possible with current technology.

I am optimistic that they won't marvel at our ignorance, especially of the scientists. We moderns don't marvel at the ignorance of past scientists but rather marvel at how much they were able to figure out given the lower level of tech they had to work with and that they had no pre-existing theories to build on.

Example: Greek scientist Seleuca working in 150 BC!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seleucus_of_Seleucia

I marvel that he could figure that out with nothing to go on but geographic variation in tidal patterns. What a triumph of observational science.

"Pneuma" as a concept has bit the dust but so what?

Yes. I can understand that. But how does it even imply that a thing that doesn't exist causes itself to exist?

Just curious: what are you so pissed off about, David?

Life ain't that bad. So what if we're Materialists, and you're not?

I hope your life is fulfilling beyond WrongPlanet. Even if you want to expound upon how we must "get a life," and talk about your business activities, I think that would be cool.

"Business activities" and "get a life" are far too mercenary for the likes of me. Is or is not is much more interesting to my type of mind.

Joking, surely! Do you really think I could be bothered with completely unreasonable d'heads on the internet if I had an intellectually sufficient life at home? Anyhow, my personality disorders do not tolerate logical contradictions so you Materialists had better get accustomed to pissing in each other's pockets without any approbation from the likes of me.

Hmm.. at least your honest..

Kudos...

I think the Persona of David is quite a character.

I bet the real David is actually a nice family man.