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16 Jan 2015, 2:56 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
...So, what is implied, nukes should be on the open market to balance the power out...?

Another good question! So many people misunderstand this difference. Because of U.S. Supreme Court opinions about several Second Amendment cases since the 1920s, the idea was developed that private ownership of firearms includes only those firearms that have historically and traditionally been used by military service members and law-enforcement officers. Such firearms are considered "discriminate" weapons because they are intended to stop threats by identified perpetrators and no one else. Nuclear/biological/chemical weapons, among others, are considered indiscriminate because their use would affect individuals other than the perpetrator of violence.

So, the idea of protecting the private ownership of firearms has been limited to discriminate weapons, not indiscriminate weapons.


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17 Jan 2015, 7:16 pm

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
The government has a duty to keep people from crossing the borders who might be a threat to our national security but at the same time, one of the government's duties is to promote the general welfare inside the United States. It simply means government helps us and it is one of the primary functions of the US government.


Not at all.

"Promote the general welfare" means to do certain things that helps the country and the citizens as a whole. Such as building roads. Or improving public safety. It does not mean to hand out money to individuals.

Handing out money to individuals improves the public safety because it means those individuals do not need to resort to crime to survive.



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17 Jan 2015, 7:26 pm

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Handing out money to individuals improves the public safety because it means those individuals do not need to resort to crime to survive.

Yes, if those individuals are citizens of the jurisdiction that is handing out the money, and have qualified receiving such money by having contributed to it for, say, 10 years or more like U.S. laws require.


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17 Jan 2015, 8:09 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
eric76 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
The government has a duty to keep people from crossing the borders who might be a threat to our national security but at the same time, one of the government's duties is to promote the general welfare inside the United States. It simply means government helps us and it is one of the primary functions of the US government.


Not at all.

"Promote the general welfare" means to do certain things that helps the country and the citizens as a whole. Such as building roads. Or improving public safety. It does not mean to hand out money to individuals.

Handing out money to individuals improves the public safety because it means those individuals do not need to resort to crime to survive.


Ever hear of jobs?



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18 Jan 2015, 4:07 am

What if a bunch of people started rallying around saying they didn't think free speech was a good idea. They got so worked up over this idea they decided to launch a protest against free speech. We would let have them have their free speech of course but nothing would come of it.

Free speech and empathy are two entirely different topics. Concepts and theories do not promote peace. They are abstract ideas with no feelings involved.

Free speech has limits even in the US. When you start discriminating against some things you can say and some you can't, you either have to take one side or the other. Personally, I take the side of tempered free speech. I don't think free speech should be used to incite violence. I think maybe we need to get our asses out of heads and listen to what the terrorists are saying to try to understand the enemy better.