The Truth AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH: 2016 Election

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08 Apr 2016, 12:16 pm

Just in from Drudge:

Something to make me puke - the slow introduction of Paul Ryan to get us use to the idea of him being president. I won't be "re-educated" with mind games.

Politics These Days. http://tiny.iavian.net/9r41

He says he's not running. Whatever.

Ryan aide quickly responds to Drudge headline: "No". http://tiny.iavian.net/9rar


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08 Apr 2016, 12:44 pm

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If the GOP establishment steals the nomination then it's time to walk to say the least. I really am losing confidence in our political, if the ballot box can't deliver even when you have the most votes what options you giving people?

Secession or revolution

That's the problem though, in either party and any political system for that matter: most votes doesn't mean jack, it takes a majority (50%+1) of votes to move the body politic. Trump may have the most votes, but he doesn't have a majority, and the majority may not accept him. Also of note, you're not actually voting for Trump, Cruz, Clinton, or Sanders in a primary-- you're voting for a delegate who claims they will vote for that candidate at the convention. There's nothing to say that your delegate will actually vote for that candidate, they are allowed to change their mind at any time. That's why I'm for a national primary day...no need for party insiders and shifty delegates, nor is there a need to promote certain regions over others (Iowa, NH, SC).

This is an example of one of the problems with our political system and the corruption that comes with it-- people look exclusively at the politicians when it's the political parties, the apparatus itself, that's corrupt. Until the party systems get fixed they'll just continue to produce crap for politicians. TBH, it may be inevitable due to the size of our population-- politicians play towards the lowest common denominator, when you're talking about 350 million people and you're driving for the bottom then you're going to have to sink pretty low.

I will leave you with this, because it kind of highlights the party vs politician argument I was making. It takes him a while to get off fundraising and get to the core of it: Even the politicians don't like it, but they're forced by the party apparatus itself.



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08 Apr 2016, 2:06 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
If the GOP establishment steals the nomination then it's time to walk to say the least. I really am losing confidence in our political, if the ballot box can't deliver even when you have the most votes what options you giving people?

Secession or revolution

That's the problem though, in either party and any political system for that matter: most votes doesn't mean jack, it takes a majority (50%+1) of votes to move the body politic. Trump may have the most votes, but he doesn't have a majority, and the majority may not accept him. Also of note, you're not actually voting for Trump, Cruz, Clinton, or Sanders in a primary-- you're voting for a delegate who claims they will vote for that candidate at the convention. There's nothing to say that your delegate will actually vote for that candidate, they are allowed to change their mind at any time. That's why I'm for a national primary day...no need for party insiders and shifty delegates, nor is there a need to promote certain regions over others (Iowa, NH, SC).

This is an example of one of the problems with our political system and the corruption that comes with it-- people look exclusively at the politicians when it's the political parties, the apparatus itself, that's corrupt. Until the party systems get fixed they'll just continue to produce crap for politicians. TBH, it may be inevitable due to the size of our population-- politicians play towards the lowest common denominator, when you're talking about 350 million people and you're driving for the bottom then you're going to have to sink pretty low.

I will leave you with this, because it kind of highlights the party vs politician argument I was making. It takes him a while to get off fundraising and get to the core of it: Even the politicians don't like it, but they're forced by the party apparatus itself.


The delegate crap makes absolutely no sense. It should go by how many votes there are from the People. We aren't a free country. This country is being run by the Elites.
I'm starting to believe that secession is the answer. Each state makes their own laws - it would give people more of a choice where they want to live. Each state would bring in their own money, have their own gun laws, abortion laws, illegal immigrant laws. Maybe keep Homeland Security in case of WW3, but get rid of the government altogether. It's been shut down several times and the sky didn't fall.


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08 Apr 2016, 4:22 pm

All I can say is that there won't be a second war of secession, once the divorce happens it's final. If the electoral process won't work then there is no other option, I don't think they'd ever admit there is even a problem with our political system nor do I think it is possible to reform it.



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08 Apr 2016, 4:29 pm

If you think there's a problem now, check out how many problems will reveal themselves should there be 50 separate nations within what used to be called The United States.

It would be absolute anarchy.

It would be worse than what it was under the Articles of Confederation.



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08 Apr 2016, 6:31 pm

I don't know if this was posted yet in the thread but if you want a Washington Post article that's pretty harsh all the way around (Sanders, Hillary, Cruz, Trump) by none other than Charles Krauthammer:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... ge%2Fstory


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08 Apr 2016, 6:42 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
If you think there's a problem now, check out how many problems will reveal themselves should there be 50 separate nations within what used to be called The United States.

It would be absolute anarchy.

It would be worse than what it was under the Articles of Confederation.


The thing is that states cannot go broke paying for other states mistakes. If a state can stand on its own and balance its own budget, etc., it should be able to be apart from the government that is telling it what it needs to do. Kansas shouldn't have to pay for California's mistakes.


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08 Apr 2016, 7:05 pm

That's true.

But there's much more advantage to the US being a union, rather than 50 separate countries.

Why can't us Americans live with our differences?



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08 Apr 2016, 7:30 pm

Cause states are going broke, Mr. K.

It kind of reminds me of my condoplex that I live in. There are people here not paying their HOA dues and are getting new fences and decks put on while the rest of us poor saps are paying for all of this crap to be done so we don't get a lien put on our condo. The dues aren't cheap either - $200-240 a month. I don't plan on moving anytime soon or buying a new car so why don't I just let everything go to hell and quit paying my dues? I'd probably get a new deck then! I just saw that the HOA's is about $40,000 in the red. This one A-hole lived here for 2 freaking years without paying his dues and he got water and trash for free too! Damn SOB! I'm tired of paying for everyone else's crap. And now having to pay for this degree and not having any life or fun. I don't know what fun I'd be doing anyway since I have no friends. I'm just a mess.


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08 Apr 2016, 9:03 pm

I agree. That sucks.

But, at least, if there's a God, He will acknowledge your faithfulness and your honesty, and will insert you into Heaven, rather than have you spend time in Purgatory.

It's always better to stick to the "high road," rather than go down to the level of the people who are doing dishonest and stupid things.



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09 Apr 2016, 2:57 am

The John Oliver video shows me once again that Ha Ha can lead to Ah Ha.

Our country and it's politics are a bit mishugsneh.

I'd love to see Oliver do a piece on H. O. A.

I had that trouble for awhile, some where east of Dodge.


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09 Apr 2016, 7:27 pm

Indiana looks to shut out Trump in the event of a contested convention ...

"Republican Party insiders in the state will select 27 delegates to the national convention on Saturday, and Trump is assured to be nearly shut out of support, according to interviews with a dozen party leaders and officials involved in the delegate selection process".
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/d ... ary-221747

Several delegates said they would nominate Mitch Daniels instead.



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09 Apr 2016, 7:31 pm

it's going to be funny with these delegates when Trump wins it on the first ballot



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09 Apr 2016, 7:44 pm

Sanders wins Wyoming caucuses, that makes 7 out of the last 8 contests.


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09 Apr 2016, 7:48 pm

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Sanders wins Wyoming caucuses, that makes 7 out of the last 8 contests.

At this point, for Bernie, New York is all that matters. He has to win it to continue, if he doesn't there really isn't a viable path to the nomination. Last I read he was down by 10, so it's not looking good on that front, but he does have momentum on his side.



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09 Apr 2016, 7:49 pm

maybe the other shoe will drop with this email stuff

they extradited that Guccifer hacker from Romania here to be interviewed by the FBI

Agree about Sanders winning New York, if he can't win there then there really is no hope.