Did we really land on the Moon?

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10 Aug 2017, 1:10 am

EzraS wrote:

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There's no reason to go to the moon: That's why there were seven Apollo missions.

It's too expensive to go to the moon: That's why there were seven Apollo missions.

No wonder those guys were covered in tin foil.

So it was just cheaper to fake it?
And in the end, those silver space suits (which weren't tin foil) were replaced with those insulated white space suits.

Yeah the fake spacecraft was covered in gaudy gold tin foil instead.

What Mikeman and Blabby said.

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10 Aug 2017, 1:15 am

the chances of every single moonshot astronaut lying about it being true, are about the same as that of two live men keeping a secret. ben franklin said two men could keep a secret as long as one of them was dead.

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10 Aug 2017, 1:25 am

all they have to do is build a mcdonalds on the moon that "sells" all their food for free, and you will find that a huge amount of research and resources will be poured into manned missions from india and africa to the moon to get a free feed.
unfortunately, when they get there, the sign says "sorry, everything out of stock", and with no return possibility they will have to get to work or die.
a perfect trap.

maybe suggest that one to trump.

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10 Aug 2017, 1:26 am

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if we didn't go to the moon, then who put that laser mirror reflector thing up there?

easily dropped from an unmanned orbiter with the same reflectivity on both sides so it did not matter in which orientation it landed.

one interesting proof that is hard to explain is how such a bright illumination was achievable against an entirely black background.

the power of the lighting must surely have lit up the walls of even a very large container that was painted black inside.
as well, the haze factor of the particulate matter in suspension in the gas (non vacuum) would also give it away.

and pixel by pixel obliteration of any shade of grey especially at the horizon would be quickly detected.

i think ezra has consigned his responses now to the comical. he can't be that stupid because i have read stuff he wrote that proves he is not.

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10 Aug 2017, 2:02 am

EzraS wrote:

There's no reason to go to the moon: That's why there were seven Apollo missions.

It's too expensive to go to the moon: That's why there were seven Apollo missions.

Correction: it's too pointless and expensive but only for the politicians who have to fund it unless there is some political reason to do so like, you know, a Cold War. For scientists it's worthwhile enough to justify the cost, but unfortunately for them we haven't had a second Cold War to get politicians to fund more manned Moon landings.

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10 Aug 2017, 2:12 am

auntblabby wrote:

if we didn't go to the moon, then who put that laser mirror reflector thing up there?

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10 Aug 2017, 4:39 am

All of those photographs of the Moon's surface taken by Apollo astronauts in orbit around the Moon were really just close ups of a bowl of cold oatmeal.

The Great Pyramids at Giza were part of the same longtime conspiracy.

If you stuck any one of the Great Pyramids in the side with a knitting needle you would hear a hiss, and the thing would go flat.

All three of the Great Pyramids are just inflatable stage props that have been sitting there on the Giza Plateau for five thousand years.

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10 Aug 2017, 5:13 am

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That saying by Franklin was the motto of the late New Orleans mob boss, Carlos Marcello.

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10 Aug 2017, 11:05 am

What goes on in Area 51 has always been kept a secret. On a regular basis a passenger jet with covered windows filled with contractors takes off from McCarran airport for there. Yet no one has ever really spilled the beans about the actual top secret stuff that goes on.

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10 Aug 2017, 11:32 am

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Actually, things that they have worked on in the past have since been declassified. They make and test secret aircraft for military purposes, things like the stealth bomber and SR71 blackbird.

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10 Aug 2017, 11:48 am

mikeman7918 wrote:

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Actually, things that they have worked on in the past have since been declassified. They make and test secret aircraft for military purposes, things like the stealth bomber and SR71 blackbird.

There's plenty of stuff that hasn't been declassified or ever talked about. Aside from bogus claims made on the George Noory show etc. That's also true of Nellis AFB personnel who work in top secret areas.

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10 Aug 2017, 11:16 pm

On the technology progress since the 60s argument: This is forgetting that not all technologies progress at the same rate during the same time. Just looking at airplanes; The progress in aviation of the second half of the 20th century is nothing compared to the progress that have been made during the first half of the 20th century, particularly in the first 15 years which get from the Wright's flyer flying on short distances to war biplane capable of dogfights, to talk also about the Concorde which is the fastest passenger airplane ever made that took it's first flight more than 48 years ago... there is no supersonic passenger plane anymore.

The thing is that technological progress in a new domain always go fast at first, but then get limited by the world physic and practical considerations; which should happen to electronics in the next few years by the way, already CPU computational power is lagging because they can't go faster that 4.0 GHz to not overheat. The evolution of electronic right now may seem fast to you, but this is nothing compared to the craziness of the 90s when a two years old computer was obsolete outside of office work.

As for rockets, they are essentially taking speed by using controlled explosions, which with the means and knowledge of today mean using chemical explosions that didn't gain much power and efficiency since the 60s. Progress has been made in ion and plasma engines, but while they are efficients they are not powerful enough to lift rockets from Earth, or the Moon for that matter. So only small changes have been made in rockets since the Apollo program, and unless some new technologies are made that allow cheaper space travel, we can't send men further that the Moon.

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10 Aug 2017, 11:29 pm

anybody else here believe in the black budget secret space program?

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10 Aug 2017, 11:48 pm

"Calling the Moon: Startup to Put Cellphone Tower on the Moon
By Tereza Pultarova, Space.com Contributor | August 10, 2017 03:25pm ET
https://www.space.com/37753-calling-the ... tower.html

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An astronaut wandering the moon next year could use a smartphone to call home. A German startup is preparing to set up the first telecommunication infrastructure on the lunar surface.

The German company Part Time Scientists, which originally competed for the Google Lunar X Prize race to the moon, plans to send a lander with a rover in late 2018 to visit the landing site of Apollo 17. (Launched in 1972, this was NASA's final Apollo mission to the moon.) Instead of using a complex dedicated telecommunication system to relay data from the rover to the Earth, the company will rely on LTE technology — the same system used on Earth for mobile phone communications.

"We are cooperating with Vodafone in order to provide LTE base stations on the moon," Karsten Becker, who heads embedded electronics development and integration for the startup, told Space.com.

"What we are aiming to do is to provide commercial service to bring goods to the moon and also to provide services on the surface of the moon," Becker added.

Part Time Scientists has a launch contract for late 2018 with Space X as a secondary payload on the Falcon 9 rocket. Becker said the company believes it will be the first private entity to reach the surface of the moon, suggesting that none of the Google Lunar X Prize participants are likely to meet the December 2017 deadline for the competition. (Part Time Scientists itself withdrew from the Google Lunar X Prize earlier this year due to the time constraints of the competition.)"

Vodafone prepares an LTE moon shot, quite literally
With Part Time Scientists, Vodafone and Audi will take vehicle-to-vehicle communications to new heights.
By Peter Sayer
IDG News Service - Paris bureau chief, IDG News Service | MAR 22, 2017 10:47 AM PT
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3183974/ ... -shot.html

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Thanks to Vodafone, the Taurus-Littrow Valley will get its first mobile phone base station next year.

It hasn't needed one up to now, as the last visitors drove through in 1972, the year before the mobile phone was invented.

Next year, though, it will get the very latest in 4G LTE coverage, when it receives a visit from two very special self-driving vehicles.

Taurus-Littrow is the landing site of Apollo 17, where humans last walked on the moon. Next year, an international group based in Berlin plans to send a mission carrying two lunar rovers to explore the site.

The group, Part Time Scientists, has been working on the project for longer than eight years and already has sponsorship and support from auto manufacturer Audi to develop the rovers.

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11 Aug 2017, 12:23 am

who here wants to go to the moon and mars and beyond?

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11 Aug 2017, 1:40 am

auntblabby wrote:

who here wants to go to the moon and mars and beyond?

Well, if it's true from what they're saying, that it's a one way trip, and that life expectancy in the new colonies isn't expected to be exceptionally long, I'll pass. Now, if it's more of a matter of simply visiting, then going back home, I could work with that.
I remember a few years ago, there had been a suggestion that they could do a reality show starring the one way mission crew. I can just imagine colonists getting their skulls cracked open by other colonists who would have gone insane, and smeared feces on their faces as they go on a murder spree - - all on live TV!

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