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22 Feb 2019, 6:53 pm

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And in regards to your "late term abortion is murder" video, here's the story of a woman who got one if you're interested to hear from someone who actually experienced that and who talks about why she got the procedure:

https://jezebel.com/interview-with-a-wo ... 1781972395

And another article about women who needed late term abortions:

https://splinternews.com/these-women-ne ... 1793863135


Yeah, i'm all for choice, not for killing fully developed humans. They have plenty of time to abort. I've watched plenty of material on the subject including people going under cover and hearing the things being said in the clinics. I personally do not agree with that.


Did you read the stories, because they didn't have plenty of time--they didn't find out about their baby's problem until late in the pregnancy. Please read about someone who has actually been through it before you judge.

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"Susan had a choice: Wait two weeks for her unborn child to grow to viability while risking dire health consequences herself or have a late-term abortion. With her kidneys failing and her blood pressure soaring, her husband implored her to save her own life. The baby—a boy—was not developed enough to survive. So she was forced to make what she describes as the “most painful decision” of her life. She chose the abortion."



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22 Feb 2019, 7:34 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
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karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
And in regards to your "late term abortion is murder" video, here's the story of a woman who got one if you're interested to hear from someone who actually experienced that and who talks about why she got the procedure:

https://jezebel.com/interview-with-a-wo ... 1781972395

And another article about women who needed late term abortions:

https://splinternews.com/these-women-ne ... 1793863135


Yeah, i'm all for choice, not for killing fully developed humans. They have plenty of time to abort. I've watched plenty of material on the subject including people going under cover and hearing the things being said in the clinics. I personally do not agree with that.


Did you read the stories, because they didn't have plenty of time--they didn't find out about their baby's problem until late in the pregnancy. Please read about someone who has actually been through it before you judge.

Quote:
"Susan had a choice: Wait two weeks for her unborn child to grow to viability while risking dire health consequences herself or have a late-term abortion. With her kidneys failing and her blood pressure soaring, her husband implored her to save her own life. The baby—a boy—was not developed enough to survive. So she was forced to make what she describes as the “most painful decision” of her life. She chose the abortion."


I can understand and sympathize with cases like that, the laws should be tweaked correctly. The law that was passed in the US, you can get an abortion at 8 1/2 months simply by saying you are depressed, it doesn't matter if the mother and child are completely healthy. So yes, I would agree with the cases you presented, our law isn't that great though. Someone did an undercover call on a show and asked one of the clinics how they could get an abortion at 8.5 months and they suggested that she see a doctor and get a diagnosis for depression and then with that diagnosis they could get her in.



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22 Feb 2019, 8:35 pm

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Discussion about drug addiction. Suggestions that drug addiction is mostly caused by other factors like depression, not the 'drugs are bad and you will get hooked if you do them' argument. Someone did a study to dismiss the mouse study. Different results when you give the mouse something to live for, hence, not stuck in a small cage with no life and a source of cocaine or heroin. Interesting episode, I haven't finished watching it yet.

It's about stigma. People seem to like stigmas because it separates the the ruthless from the real and easily makes an 'other' group the people can destroy and pillage their status and belongings for themselves.


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22 Feb 2019, 8:46 pm

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Discussion about drug addiction. Suggestions that drug addiction is mostly caused by other factors like depression, not the 'drugs are bad and you will get hooked if you do them' argument. Someone did a study to dismiss the mouse study. Different results when you give the mouse something to live for, hence, not stuck in a small cage with no life and a source of cocaine or heroin. Interesting episode, I haven't finished watching it yet.

It's about stigma. People seem to like stigmas because it separates the the ruthless from the real and easily makes an 'other' group the people can destroy and pillage their status and belongings for themselves.



Explain a little more so I know exactly what you mean. I think I understand, stigma threw me off 'disgrace'. It was an extremely interesting episode. It would be nice to be in a world where the average person's life actually meant something to others, or to all, as a whole. I hope we make it there one day, but it's a gamble for sure. It almost makes me think that the 'utopia will never occur' theory is crammed down our throats so some can clutch their wealth and power ever so tightly. If we were all happy for the most part, social, willing to help others and give the unable opportunities where they can have true meaning in their life by being a valuable part of society, society as a whole would thrive(IMO).



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22 Feb 2019, 8:53 pm

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It's about stigma. People seem to like stigmas because it separates the the ruthless from the real and easily makes an 'other' group the people can destroy and pillage their status and belongings for themselves.

Explain a little more so I know exactly what you mean. I think I understand, stigma threw me off 'disgrace'.

It's probably just best to sort of describe an underhanded current of human activity. For example if someone's really a useless slug it works best if they're a bully and they're able to terrorize other people around them into being terrified of any possibility of triggering their rage. Similarly if someone whose really wicked runs into someone whose not just moral but doesn't think highly of themselves they'll jump up and down on every flaw the more moral person makes to control them through guilt or self-diminishment and, with added contempt, just enjoy seeing the more moral person suffer. Similarly a lot of people have given up most of their personalities to gain the benefits of 'conformity'. They're infuriated to see someone else skate by without having made the sacrifices of personality, integrity, and happiness they have (part of why autistics get treated terribly - we couldn't conform if we wanted to) and so that's part of why they hate drug users, ie. they skipped the law thus skipped the sacrifice of both obeying the law and obeying the stigmas around drugs, and the other part - the main thrust of life for many of them is seeing who they can destroy and take everything away from, thus objective truth about stigmatized things (like spirituality, like drugs, or much of anything else) gets either dismissal or outright hostility - ie. taking away a stigma is taking a way a tool that you can dominate and destroy your competition with.


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22 Feb 2019, 9:05 pm

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It's about stigma. People seem to like stigmas because it separates the the ruthless from the real and easily makes an 'other' group the people can destroy and pillage their status and belongings for themselves.

Explain a little more so I know exactly what you mean. I think I understand, stigma threw me off 'disgrace'.

It's probably just best to sort of describe an underhanded current of human activity. For example if someone's really a useless slug it works best if they're a bully and they're able to terrorize other people around them into being terrified of any possibility of triggering their rage. Similarly if someone whose really wicked runs into someone whose not just moral but doesn't think highly of themselves they'll jump up and down on every flaw the more moral person makes to control them through guilt or self-diminishment and, with added contempt, just enjoy seeing the more moral person suffer. Similarly a lot of people have given up most of their personalities to gain the benefits of 'conformity'. They're infuriated to see someone else skate by without having made the sacrifices of personality, integrity, and happiness they have (part of why autistics get treated terribly - we couldn't conform if we wanted to) and so that's part of why they hate drug users, ie. they skipped the law thus skipped the sacrifice of both obeying the law and obeying the stigmas around drugs, and the other part - the main thrust of life for many of them is seeing who they can destroy and take everything away from, thus objective truth about stigmatized things (like spirituality, like drugs, or much of anything else) gets either dismissal or outright hostility - ie. taking away a stigma is taking a way a tool that you can dominate and destroy your competition with.


Yes, I understand that now. Like the bully at a school has bad coping mechanisms to where he will have a hard time with his class work so he will make fun of others for being successful rather than getting them to help him. People can be real a**holes, I wounder if that can ever be cured? Or is it just a fault that will always exist? I've always been a big hearted person and completely unable to understand how people are so willing to stab each-other in the back for various reasons; because it makes them look cool to others, for self gain, to get thrill by holding someone else down because they aren't happy.

A guy ripped me off a few times. He one day asked me if I could get him a bag, so I repaid the favor yet nowhere near how bad he did me yet it actually made me feel bad so rather than stoop to others levels, as people stabbed me in the back I just cut them out of my life. Sadly it was everybody but one person, my friend Nick. Though he doesn't live anywhere near me. We hit a rough spot but have recently started talking again, I think he is autistic, in fact I'm sure he is but he doesn't have a diagnosis, I feel so bad for how stressful his life is, he has it pretty rough.



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22 Feb 2019, 9:12 pm

I'm increasingly okay having a very private life. I say that because I find very few social situations or groups where membership isn't at the cost of integrity. My martial arts class is at least enough guys and girls who just don't care and can chill, and I enjoy my Saturday lunch and a beer with them across the street from class, I have a few close friends who moved away and even there we have our long-term differences we stay off of, and I have my mystical groups that I'm in (most of them around tarot) and while I like a lot of people there I do feel like what some of the strain of my life and the sorts of people I have to deal with to stay afloat financially is making me a bit uncomfortably blunt around many of those people, they're usually a few steps above the vapid new ager but I still think they tend to entertain some degree of 'law of attraction' idea and my life's shown me that just like a person in Zimbabwe shouldn't bother trying to pray for or manifest a Lexus (if they did get one of five in the country it would just get stolen anyway) and similarly if there's almost nothing but crap people as far as the eye can see good luck finding a special island of good people to retreat to, or heck, better to ask the question - why bother trying to find something so unnatural and fleeting.


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22 Feb 2019, 9:44 pm

I'm watching that video now, I love that piano song at the beginning, any idea what song it is?



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22 Feb 2019, 10:03 pm

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I'm watching that video now, I love that piano song at the beginning, any idea what song it is?

Part of Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D Minor (performed on a piano instead of an organ)



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22 Feb 2019, 11:00 pm

Crimadella wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
Crimadella wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
And in regards to your "late term abortion is murder" video, here's the story of a woman who got one if you're interested to hear from someone who actually experienced that and who talks about why she got the procedure:

https://jezebel.com/interview-with-a-wo ... 1781972395

And another article about women who needed late term abortions:

https://splinternews.com/these-women-ne ... 1793863135


Yeah, i'm all for choice, not for killing fully developed humans. They have plenty of time to abort. I've watched plenty of material on the subject including people going under cover and hearing the things being said in the clinics. I personally do not agree with that.


Did you read the stories, because they didn't have plenty of time--they didn't find out about their baby's problem until late in the pregnancy. Please read about someone who has actually been through it before you judge.

Quote:
"Susan had a choice: Wait two weeks for her unborn child to grow to viability while risking dire health consequences herself or have a late-term abortion. With her kidneys failing and her blood pressure soaring, her husband implored her to save her own life. The baby—a boy—was not developed enough to survive. So she was forced to make what she describes as the “most painful decision” of her life. She chose the abortion."


I can understand and sympathize with cases like that, the laws should be tweaked correctly. The law that was passed in the US, you can get an abortion at 8 1/2 months simply by saying you are depressed, it doesn't matter if the mother and child are completely healthy. So yes, I would agree with the cases you presented, our law isn't that great though. Someone did an undercover call on a show and asked one of the clinics how they could get an abortion at 8.5 months and they suggested that she see a doctor and get a diagnosis for depression and then with that diagnosis they could get her in.


Doctors have to say an oath when they get their medical license, to "do no harm", an oath which they tend to take very seriously. Doctors who perform abortions after the first trimester are aware that risk to the mother's health from an abortion procedure goes up the farther along the pregnancy is--so they are not going to perform the surgery unless the good it would do (like saving the mother's life, for example) outweighs the potential risk of the procedure to the mother's health. They don't do these things willy-nilly. The idea being pushed by men who want to control women's bodies that doctors are happily ripping "fully formed babies" out of their mothers on a whim is ludicrous--their agenda for pushing these ridiculous lies is very transparent.



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22 Feb 2019, 11:04 pm

It's the same reason doctors can't (or at least shouldn't, and should be disciplined by their governing bodies when they do) give someone elective plastic surgery that will harm them, despite the wacked out stuff some people want to have done to themselves (like having limbs amputated for the sake of sexual fetishes and stuff like that). If you want something like that done you have to go to a foreign country where their laws are much more lax because 99% of doctors in countries like America know that if they perform dangerous elective procedures on patients that don't need them and the patient is harmed or killed by that procedure the doctor will lose their license, because that is malpractice and against the oath they take.



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22 Feb 2019, 11:51 pm

RushKing wrote:
Crimadella wrote:
I'm watching that video now, I love that piano song at the beginning, any idea what song it is?

Part of Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D Minor (performed on a piano instead of an organ)


Thanks!