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24 Nov 2020, 12:04 pm

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No, guns are a representation of manifestly deadly force, only the most dangerous part of the left has anything to do with that, you have no clue who they are or what they know about guns.

Suffice it to say, they know more about guns than most of us. I can shoot pretty decently & I'm on the left, try me. Than in no way means I'm in favor of gun ownership.


Exactly, gun ownership is one thing when you shoot at a rifle range or keep a weapon at home Vs republicans who like killing animals for sport and carrying loaded weapons in the hope that some "negro" will pick a fight so they can re-enact the glory days of slavery when you were permitted by law to kill, murder,lynch, rape or torture a black person.


Oh okay, so the left does not believe in keeping guns stored at home for home defense then? But since they are not for the police either, what do they think will protect them from break ins or burglaries then?


The police don't sanction using weapons against criminals as more often than not it ends with dead victims and absconded criminals.


But if the left are anti-police, or like they seem to be, then what do they care what the police's opinion is?



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24 Nov 2020, 12:05 pm

ironpony wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
ironpony wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
cberg wrote:
No, guns are a representation of manifestly deadly force, only the most dangerous part of the left has anything to do with that, you have no clue who they are or what they know about guns.

Suffice it to say, they know more about guns than most of us. I can shoot pretty decently & I'm on the left, try me. Than in no way means I'm in favor of gun ownership.


Exactly, gun ownership is one thing when you shoot at a rifle range or keep a weapon at home Vs republicans who like killing animals for sport and carrying loaded weapons in the hope that some "negro" will pick a fight so they can re-enact the glory days of slavery when you were permitted by law to kill, murder,lynch, rape or torture a black person.


Oh okay, so the left does not believe in keeping guns stored at home for home defense then? But since they are not for the police either, what do they think will protect them from break ins or burglaries then?


The police don't sanction using weapons against criminals as more often than not it ends with dead victims and absconded criminals.


But if the left are anti-police, or like they seem to be, then what do they care what the police's opinion is?


Most of them are law-abiding citizens who might encourage police reform, but how exactly is that anti-police?


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24 Nov 2020, 12:14 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
ironpony wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
ironpony wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
cberg wrote:
No, guns are a representation of manifestly deadly force, only the most dangerous part of the left has anything to do with that, you have no clue who they are or what they know about guns.

Suffice it to say, they know more about guns than most of us. I can shoot pretty decently & I'm on the left, try me. Than in no way means I'm in favor of gun ownership.


Exactly, gun ownership is one thing when you shoot at a rifle range or keep a weapon at home Vs republicans who like killing animals for sport and carrying loaded weapons in the hope that some "negro" will pick a fight so they can re-enact the glory days of slavery when you were permitted by law to kill, murder,lynch, rape or torture a black person.


Oh okay, so the left does not believe in keeping guns stored at home for home defense then? But since they are not for the police either, what do they think will protect them from break ins or burglaries then?


The police don't sanction using weapons against criminals as more often than not it ends with dead victims and absconded criminals.


But if the left are anti-police, or like they seem to be, then what do they care what the police's opinion is?


Most of them are law-abiding citizens who might encourage police reform, but how exactly is that anti-police?


Well perhaps anti-police was the wrong term but if you defund the police, what if as a result, they may not be able to come and help you in a lot of situations because they often short. Wouldn't you want a gun then in case they cannot come because of the defunding shortage?



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24 Nov 2020, 12:14 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
ironpony wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
ironpony wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
cberg wrote:
No, guns are a representation of manifestly deadly force, only the most dangerous part of the left has anything to do with that, you have no clue who they are or what they know about guns.

Suffice it to say, they know more about guns than most of us. I can shoot pretty decently & I'm on the left, try me. Than in no way means I'm in favor of gun ownership.


Exactly, gun ownership is one thing when you shoot at a rifle range or keep a weapon at home Vs republicans who like killing animals for sport and carrying loaded weapons in the hope that some "negro" will pick a fight so they can re-enact the glory days of slavery when you were permitted by law to kill, murder,lynch, rape or torture a black person.


Oh okay, so the left does not believe in keeping guns stored at home for home defense then? But since they are not for the police either, what do they think will protect them from break ins or burglaries then?


The police don't sanction using weapons against criminals as more often than not it ends with dead victims and absconded criminals.


But if the left are anti-police, or like they seem to be, then what do they care what the police's opinion is?


Most of them are law-abiding citizens who might encourage police reform, but how exactly is that anti-police?


Well perhaps anti-police was the wrong term but if you defund the police, what if as a result, they may not be able to come and help you in a lot of situations because they often short. Wouldn't one want a gun then in case they cannot come because of the defunding shortage?



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24 Nov 2020, 4:20 pm

The defund the police slogan is not universally supported by the left.



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24 Nov 2020, 4:55 pm

Defund the police is only really applied to areas where their budgets are bloated, they are overpoliced, and otherwise a destructive force with their current level of power, perhaps with certain levels of discrimination that people rightfully would not want to support. At least to my awareness in my country there is not a huge threat of being shot or being assaulted by an officer, so I have good faith for here until I hear otherwise.


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24 Nov 2020, 4:59 pm

ironpony wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
ironpony wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
ironpony wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
cberg wrote:
No, guns are a representation of manifestly deadly force, only the most dangerous part of the left has anything to do with that, you have no clue who they are or what they know about guns.

Suffice it to say, they know more about guns than most of us. I can shoot pretty decently & I'm on the left, try me. Than in no way means I'm in favor of gun ownership.


Exactly, gun ownership is one thing when you shoot at a rifle range or keep a weapon at home Vs republicans who like killing animals for sport and carrying loaded weapons in the hope that some "negro" will pick a fight so they can re-enact the glory days of slavery when you were permitted by law to kill, murder,lynch, rape or torture a black person.


Oh okay, so the left does not believe in keeping guns stored at home for home defense then? But since they are not for the police either, what do they think will protect them from break ins or burglaries then?


The police don't sanction using weapons against criminals as more often than not it ends with dead victims and absconded criminals.


But if the left are anti-police, or like they seem to be, then what do they care what the police's opinion is?


Most of them are law-abiding citizens who might encourage police reform, but how exactly is that anti-police?


Well perhaps anti-police was the wrong term but if you defund the police, what if as a result, they may not be able to come and help you in a lot of situations because they often short. Wouldn't one want a gun then in case they cannot come because of the defunding shortage?


While some people do genuinely mean 'abolish the police' most people who advocate for 'defund the police' want those funds to be used for other services that are often performed by police due to lack of a budget for people specialized for those roles, you know, like social workers and people who provide mental health services.

When other services get their budgets cut cops often end up picking up the slack which results in them dealing with concerns that they're not trained for and aren't well-suited for. Imagine someone who's paranoid and agitated, does sending guys with guns and flak jackets who's main job is to lay criminal charges to 'come calm them down' likely to succeed?


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24 Nov 2020, 5:02 pm

Well I guess it would depend. Most social workers do not want to deal with emergency calls, concerning people behaving angrily or violently I am guessing?



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24 Nov 2020, 5:10 pm

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Well I guess it would depend. Most social workers do not want to deal with emergency calls, concerning people behaving angrily or violently I am guessing?


You wouldn't send just that person, you'd send them with police to support them. The idea is to de-escalate the situation so no one needs to be taken into custody, or if that's necessary, to reduce the likelihood of it becoming a use of force situation.


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24 Nov 2020, 5:58 pm

Oh okay. And doing things like this is possibly going to help police brutality, if a social worker goes to mee them there?



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24 Nov 2020, 6:38 pm

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Oh okay. And doing things like this is possibly going to help police brutality, if a social worker goes to mee them there?


It would have the potential to deescalate situations when used appropriately, it wouldn't be a panacea nor should it be expected to be.


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24 Nov 2020, 7:16 pm

Oh okay. But are lot of these situations where police brutality happens, would have helped if there was a social worker there? Would the social worker have to have sirens on their car to get their fast enough, compared to the police then?



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24 Nov 2020, 7:44 pm

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Oh okay. But are lot of these situations where police brutality happens, would have helped if there was a social worker there? Would the social worker have to have sirens on their car to get their fast enough, compared to the police then?


Ideally they would be the partner on those sorts of calls.

And yes, police regularly fail to deescalate those sorts of calls. We have posters who have described being in the sorts of situations where the choice to deescalate vs. escalate might have cost them their lives. Having a meltdown might make a person appear threatening but it would be preferable for that person to get to go home to their loved ones regardless of how bad they may have looked.


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24 Nov 2020, 7:46 pm

Oh okay I see. I am unfamiliar with all the work that social workers do but are they good at de-escaluating situations, like domestically dramatic situations, we are talking about more so?



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Oh okay I see. I am unfamiliar with all the work that social workers do but are they good at de-escaluating situations, like domestically dramatic situations, we are talking about more so?


That would be within the skill-set of that job. I'm not super familiar with them because I've never had one but I've known people who went to school to work in that field.


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24 Nov 2020, 9:00 pm

Oh okay I see. So when you call 911 they would dispatch police and a social worker or more then, instead of just police?