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15 Jan 2021, 2:01 pm

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One of my Sociology profs once said words to the effect that nothing unites a disparate people so much as a common enemy.  Were it not for Trump, I am certain that Goldie and I (and several others) would still be sniping and snarking at each other.  Thank you, Mr. Trump for bringing us all together; too bad for you that it is because you are now our "common enemy".

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15 Jan 2021, 2:04 pm

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Juist imagine how this day will look in our American History.
I keep wondering about this myself.  Ten years from now, when those who have not been born yet receive their first formal history lessons on the Trump administration, will they be taught "How Democracy Withstood a Coup Attempt", or will their lessons be more like "How Trump Owned the liberals"?  I am betting more on the former than the latter.


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15 Jan 2021, 2:06 pm

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Juist imagine how this day will look in our American History.
I keep wondering about this myself.  Ten years from now, when those who have not been born yet receive their first formal history lessons on the Trump administration, will they be taught "How Democracy Withstood a Coup Attempt", or will their lessons be more like "How Trump Owned the liberals"?  I am betting more on the former than the latter.



I was thinking of twenty years down the roads, 30 years, 50 years. This would fall under racism and white supremacy and this isn't anything new. White supremist have always gotten mad when they had less white supremacy rights. No more slavery, no more Jim Crow, I wonder how well they took it when states passes laws you cannot discriminate against race, what about no longer being able to burn crosses in lawns?


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15 Jan 2021, 2:06 pm

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One of my Sociology profs once said words to the effect that nothing unites a disparate people so much as a common enemy.  Were it not for Trump, I am certain that Goldie and I (and several others) would still be sniping and snarking at each other.  Thank you, Mr. Trump for bringing us all together; too bad for you that it is because you are now our "common enemy".
*hug*

Kumbaya, Fnord, kumbaya..
Here is to Unity, mate!

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15 Jan 2021, 2:12 pm

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Juist imagine how this day will look in our American History.
I keep wondering about this myself.  Ten years from now, when those who have not been born yet receive their first formal history lessons on the Trump administration, will they be taught "How Democracy Withstood a Coup Attempt", or will their lessons be more like "How Trump Owned the liberals"?  I am betting more on the former than the latter.
I was thinking of twenty years down the roads, 30 years, 50 years. This would fall under racism and white supremacy and this isn't anything new. White supremist have always gotten mad when they had less white supremacy rights. No more slavery, no more Jim Crow, I wonder how well they took it when states passes laws you cannot discriminate against race, what about no longer being able to burn crosses in lawns?
That day will come when the majority of people (especially the lawmakers) know, understand, and accept what the Right to Free Press, the Right to Free Religion, the Right to Free Speech, the Right to Bear Arms, et cetera really mean -- that the Federal government cannot restrict these rights, but people had better not use them as excuses to act like a$$holes.


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15 Jan 2021, 2:15 pm

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Fnord wrote:
One of my Sociology profs once said words to the effect that nothing unites a disparate people so much as a common enemy.  Were it not for Trump, I am certain that Goldie and I (and several others) would still be sniping and snarking at each other.  Thank you, Mr. Trump for bringing us all together; too bad for you that it is because you are now our "common enemy".
*hug*

Kumbaya, Fnord, kumbaya..
Here is to Unity, mate!

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Would have posted more the last 12 hours or so but been busy smurfing up some unity here in meatspace.

A transgender lesbian teen was beaten by schoolyard bullies & filmed by losers encouraging it. There’s a drive/ride parade of cars/trucks/motorcycles meeting on Sunday afternoon as a show of support and it’s being shared to every car club, motorcycle group, four wheel drive association and other social groups on Facebook. It’s gonna be huge! 8)


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15 Jan 2021, 2:31 pm

:evil: Did any of those perps show their faces in the video?


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15 Jan 2021, 3:40 pm

The Trumpsters have really expanded on Nixonism, huh:
When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal.
But now:
When Trump does it, that means that it is not something I think is wrong.

Trumpsters should get an Olympic gold medal for their amazing mental gymnastics.


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15 Jan 2021, 4:10 pm

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:evil: Did any of those perps show their faces in the video?


Yes.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7575143/poli ... l-grounds/

My mother heard that the 2 girls doing the actual assault have been expelled from school and the article says they’re facing possible criminal charges.

IMO, the others present, especially whoever is telling them to kick her in the face, should be facing charges as well.

As for the drive/ride event - it’s blowing up and being shared EVERYWHERE. There will be dozens of vehicles, but I may just be impressed as there’s the very real possibility that Hundreds could show up. Every car/truck/motorcycle club is getting word. Four wheel drive association, bikers against bullying etc. Reminds me: There’s a bikers for autism chapter here I should message, too.


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15 Jan 2021, 4:36 pm

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the dope from the parler people [before they wiped it all] was that they were gonna kidnap some pols including the veep.


And it didn't happen? 8O
That was lucky. :wink:

luck indeed that the mob entrusted to do the dirty work was a bit too inept and not quite lucky enough. just by a bit.


Unfortunately, I think that is simply speculation, at this stage, isn't it?

Could some of the items have been placed by left-wing infiltrators into the right-wing Capitol Hill protest?
I am not saying this is probable.
I am making the point that it isn't totally clear what the situation was.

Political manoeuvering, on both sides of the political divide, muddies the waters.
That is why I don't jump to conclusions, these days.
Experience has told me that it is unwise to do so.



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15 Jan 2021, 4:42 pm

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When exactly did we decide a coup attempt isn't a coup attempt if it didn't have a chance of succeeding?

"Sure they were trying to murder elected officials to prevent a transfer of power but they wouldn't have succeeded even if they had lynched every single congressional democrat, so why are we making such a big deal about it??"


Interesting point.
Then why wasn't the recent leftist riots not a subversive activity?
Why isn't the Capitol Hill protests not seen as a protest that went violent?



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15 Jan 2021, 4:46 pm

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When exactly did we decide a coup attempt isn't a coup attempt if it didn't have a chance of succeeding?

"Sure they were trying to murder elected officials to prevent a transfer of power but they wouldn't have succeeded even if they had lynched every single congressional democrat, so why are we making such a big deal about it??"


Interesting point.
Then why wasn't the recent leftist riots not a subversive activity?
Why isn't the Capitol Hill protests not seen as a protest that went violent?


Because one was a protest for human rights and the other was a violent insurrection intended to over throw the government of the United States of America.. :chin: :roll:


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15 Jan 2021, 4:51 pm

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When exactly did we decide a coup attempt isn't a coup attempt...
It was a coup attempt.  Anyone who says otherwise is just another Trump apologist.


That is an invalid argument if you mean it literally, rather than hyperbolically/figuratively.
You are making this a binary choice when clearly it is not.

You seem to have a rather inflexible way of seeing things.



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15 Jan 2021, 5:02 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
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When exactly did we decide a coup attempt isn't a coup attempt if it didn't have a chance of succeeding?

"Sure they were trying to murder elected officials to prevent a transfer of power but they wouldn't have succeeded even if they had lynched every single congressional democrat, so why are we making such a big deal about it??"


Interesting point.
Then why wasn't the recent leftist riots not a subversive activity?
Why isn't the Capitol Hill protests not seen as a protest that went violent?


Because one was a protest for human rights and the other was a violent insurrection intended to over throw the government of the United States of America.. :chin: :roll:


The recent leftist protest caused 2 billion dollars damage, killed 19 lives, involved a great deal of looting, destroyed many hopes and dreams of precisely the minority group is was purportedly representing, was an illegal violent activity that should have been peaceful. I doubt Martin Luther King Jr would have approved.

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Why Martin Luther King Jr.'s Lessons About Peaceful Protests Are Still Relevant.

Whether it be responding to wars or protesting an unpopular administration at home, or the “color revolutions” across Europe and elsewhere overseas, the legacy of moral victory begetting actual change has been borne out time and again.

https://time.com/5101740/martin-luther- ... s-lessons/

What the leftist violent protest actually did was to strengthen sentiment *against* the movement.



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15 Jan 2021, 5:17 pm

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White supremacy has a broad range of participants from casual to extremists. According to recent polls there are at least 74,233,744 Americans that at the very least condone it.


This is a gross generalisation if you are saying every person who voted Republican condone white supremacy, and clearly an absurdity.
What you are claiming, here, is that every coloured person who voted for Republican party policies condones white supremacy.

This is self-evidently a nonsense. 8)



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15 Jan 2021, 5:21 pm

Are you faulting people on this continent for broadly criticizing Washington D.C. as a war zone vs. Washington D.C. as a nice city full of actual reasons to go there?

Goldfish is saying millions of people looked the other way, or at least did so in voting in self interest rather than for others to have peaceful lives.


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