Does systemic racism against blacks even exist anymore?

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Seems I'm not the only one to have made the obvious connection.

As long as PoC (other than east asians and white hispanics) see barriers in front of them and/or their quality of life is impacted because of the colour of their skin then I will always be an ally. I hardly think you are in position to claim their perception is a strawman argument because you once dated a black girl?

Why the qualification? Do you think racists are like "we're cool with Asians and light Hispanics, it's those other races we don't like", or is it that the success of those groups undermines your thesis of overwhelming racism everywhere?



Ahem, I married one, I actually dated quite a few, and not just black girls either. But, I'm also not the one here claiming to speak for black people, or more problematically, dismissing the opinions of black people who disagree with me as simply trying to ingratiate themselves with rival political groups, as you tend to. That's actually pretty racist, treating black people as if they can only have one correct opinion, and if they stray from it they must have ulterior motives, a particularly strange claim from someone who doesn't even live here and so can't accurately even speak to the situation on the ground. Who are you to speak for black people's perceptions?

with the exception of pockets of piggish police nationwide, legacy social constructs [e.g., willfully segregated white neighborhoods and schools/orgs here and there] and the odd sociopathic type shouting "n****r" at POC, i am guessing that microaggressions [mostly unconscious via implicit bias] are the majority of racism which remains, those are the weeds of racism that remain after the law and PC culture have had their way. a caring person still strives to improve this situation [e.g., determinedly getting rid of the psychopathic racist cops root and branch (one strike and you're out), rooting out microaggressions and unconscious bias by a widespread philosophy of pervasive language monitoring as a part of culture], and not just saying that "things are good enough now." this is doable and long past due.

Good people can disagree on the proper approach to confronting whatever bias, systemic or otherwise, remains in society, but heavy handed language policing and close reading of every utterance for traces of prejudice don't strike me as particularly effective, quite the opposite in fact. What really concerns me about the current strain of woke politics is the way that it's causing white people to think of themselves as a racial group with interests in a conscious way that really wasn't there before, and that I don't see leading where people think it will.

So is this about re-engineering human society, or man himself?
Will we be robots in that world with no ability to think outside a pre programed script?
What are the implications?

But are these barriers reality or perception?
I cannot control how anyone Feels.
I also cannot control how anyone interprets what I say, do, or how I live. The entire CRT thing is major league level gas lighting. There is so little racism these days people are having to get offended by things from history or hoaxing racism to get it in the news.

So what you're saying is if you don't feel it's racism it doesn't count?
That seems like a perfectly reasonable standard.

Or more like a strawman argument.

You are deliberately misinterpreting my point.
I cannot control how another person feels about anything, nobody can.

I can't, but neither can you. I only see myself as an ally. You seem to be avoiding the fact the 90% of blacks who vote for the democrats for a reason. It's not for their historic love of that party. It's because the democrats have a platform from Kennedy's time supporting black civil rights. Give the skew in favor of that party the issues from the 1960s seem to have not been resolved, otherwise why don't 50% of black people vote republican?.

But I also don't try to, which you do, despite not even living here (it seems like we're speaking of American blacks), and my having objectively more exposure to black American culture, up close and extremely personal.



Inertia and peer pressure? You'd be surprised at how conservative many blacks, especially the older ones actually are, but voting Republican makes you a pariah in that community. Again though, does it not strike you as strange that you, someone who doesn't live here, who unless you're holding something back, didn't literally marry into this culture, are lecturing me about what black people think? Doesn't that seem a bit, I don't know, arrogant?



Blacks started moving to the Democrats before Kennedy due to Roosevelt's New Deal policies helping to lift them out of poverty, and Roosevelt definitely wasn't a champion of black civil rights. At this point, the preference is basically ingrained, and yes, the Kennedy and Johnson era civil rights bills did play a part, but the reality is that blacks are over-represented in the working class, and that is what made them a Democratic constituency since the 1940s. We'll see if that changes if the GOP successfully rebrand as the working class party, Trump already got some movement in that direction, and he was about as imperfect a messenger as could be imagined.



Asked and answered; class, inertia, and peer pressure. Again, why would you think you know this stuff better than I do given our respective experiences? You're like a guy who read a book about farming trying to tell a guy who grew up on a farm that he's milking the cow wrong.

No, I'm just trying to understand your point. Try communicating more clearly instead of deflecting by insisting the alleged 'misinterpretation' was deliberate.

it seems to be widely unmentioned by the amuuurican right wing that the GOP by design offers POC/poor whites just the back of their hand, throwing them no bones whatsoever. right wing polls that say "let them eat tax cuts" for the 1% won't help the working class because trickle-down is just a cruel myth along the lines of horatio alger. the working class need jobs and the 1% have been busy shipping those jobs overseas. we can't all become doctors/lawyers/microsofties. if bellyaching employers want people to work in their businesses, instead of committing economic treason by hiring people from other nations, instead of systematically blocking potential good workers by artificial barriers of ever-increasing spurious degree program qualifications, these same bellyaching businesses need to get up off their duffs and actually TRAIN AMERICAN CITIZENS to do the work and not expect us working class folks to weakly submit to the predations of for-profit colleges that offer mostly worthless degrees that leave people in debt for what amounts to a lifetime. if the GOP wants my vote they need to get the fk out of our bedrooms and fix these problems, fix our non-caring dysfunctional non-system of health care so that all amuuurians can get the health care they need without having their finances ruined for the rest of their lives if they have the nerve to get sick. they need to DO SOMETHING about widespread police brutality/prosecutorial misconduct against my class of people. they need to curtail the racket that is our higher educational system and return tuition to what it was even just a generation ago. they need to support the 99% in word and deed, and not just the 1% who bribe the pols in their pockets and can well manage on their own without the corporate welfare the rest of us pay them. until they head at least a good mile in that direction i have absolutely no reason to vote for any rightie pol so said rightie pol can just screw me over 100 ways past sunday. they don't want my vote, they don't even want me to vote in the first place. so to hell with them and the high white horses they rode in on.

If you'll indulge me in a thought exercise...let's say you're put into a room with a black conservative and a white liberal and they each give you their opinion on a race-related issue. Which one do you agree with?

Nice.