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08 Aug 2007, 3:23 pm

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Your real problem with me is that I esteem God above man.

You know what? Terrorists in the 911 attack could use that same argument.


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08 Aug 2007, 3:24 pm

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well what do you say
its wrong to be gay?
I wont get into heaven because of it
I have to fallow God to be saved?
what is it
:?


What raggy says is that you can live your
life in whatever despicable matter you like,
as long as you subjugate yourself to his cruel
and vindictive God.

Otherwise, you'd have to hang out with those
of us who are honorable.



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08 Aug 2007, 3:25 pm

greenblue wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Your real problem with me is that I esteem God above man.

You know what? Terrorists in the 911 attack could use that same argument.


Could? DID.



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08 Aug 2007, 3:25 pm

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As a Christian, my highest authority is God, and He speaks through Scripture. And, obviously, I use my own logic continually; if I had not, you all would have stopped talking to me by now and lost interest.

well, your logic seems to be flawed my friend, even some christians accept that the bible is not PERFECT considering the times it was written. Where is your logic there?


God has always been in control of the Bible, and preserved its accuracy. Martin Luther said "Scripture is clearer than its interpreters".


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08 Aug 2007, 3:26 pm

calandale wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
well what do you say
its wrong to be gay?
I wont get into heaven because of it
I have to fallow God to be saved?
what is it
:?


What raggy says is that you can live your
life in whatever despicable matter you like,
as long as you subjugate yourself to his cruel
and vindictive God.

Otherwise, you'd have to hang out with those
of us who are honorable.

wow-I'll hang with you :P



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08 Aug 2007, 3:27 pm

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I think bi people get it harder in some ways. They get sh** from some gay people I've noticed, for not choosing which they are or some crap like that. Still, I wish I was bi instead lol.


yeah but by rag's logic... it's easer for them to get into heaven... cause they just have to deny a portion of their sexuality (like he does when he abstains from premarital sex ect)

completely gay people have to fabricate hormones and a whole new genetic makeup!


Doctors have been fabricating testostrone and estrogen for years. Sopho and I have formerly mused as to what this could mean for gay people.


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08 Aug 2007, 3:27 pm

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Yeah, I wanna know why it is somehow wrong to be gay. And if you can't logically justify it yourself, Ragtime, then why do you blindly follow something which makes no sense logically? If you can't answer the first, then at least answer the second.


Actually, you're wrong. I follow God's logic semi-blindly because I know it's superior to mine and to yours.

How do you know this? An imaginary man is more intelligent than I am? LOL Yeah... right.

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You think you're top dog logic-wise, the brilliant Sopho, etc., but that doesn't make you correct.

ROFL



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08 Aug 2007, 3:27 pm

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No, I find art in cats, birds, trees, flowers, even insects. Just proves my point even more.


Now, try and imagine a world where such
'rightness' didn't exist. It wouldn't even work.

The very existence requires that things be in
harmony. This is no proof of the type of God
that you claim - but merely of existence (well,
a limited one at that, one MUST make certain
presuppositions, but granting those...).

'Tis like St. Anselm's brilliant proof. Shows a God,
but doesn't go anywhere towards defining. God the
creator, could simply be the laws of nature.



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08 Aug 2007, 3:28 pm

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What about a gay couple who only have oral sex or neither?

Women are better at sucking a penis than men are. Please don't ask me to go into the depths, as it were, of their silky mouths, and their natural subtle eroticism which so inflames us. Men suck more like they're playing professional sports, or working out, than like they're actually making sweet, sweet love to their partners.

And you would know this how exactly?


I've been sucked. :D But only by my wife.

As you stated before, how do you know for a fact that women suck better than men? lol
Because being straight one can feel better when a woman does to you than a man, that's not a fact, it's a subjective view, because you are just seeing this in one single point of view, that of a straight man.


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08 Aug 2007, 3:29 pm

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Your real problem with me is that I esteem God above man.

Even if your'e wrong?

Yeah, you esteem God above man, believing you are doing right, when obviously and logically you are wrong.


Then why do hundreds of millions of people agree with me, if it's so "obvious" and "logical" that I'm wrong about God?


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08 Aug 2007, 3:31 pm

Ragtime wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Your real problem with me is that I esteem God above man.

Even if your'e wrong?

Yeah, you esteem God above man, believing you are doing right, when obviously and logically you are wrong.


Then why do hundreds of millions of people agree with me, if it's so "obvious" and "logical" that I'm wrong about God?

Oh, the 'because a shedload of other people believe it too then it must be true' BS. Millions of people have, throughout history, believed alsorts of crap which has since been disproved. There are a lot of reasons all these people believe in a god as well. Doesn't make it real though.



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08 Aug 2007, 3:32 pm

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No, I find art in cats, birds, trees, flowers, even insects. Just proves my point even more.


Now, try and imagine a world where such
'rightness' didn't exist. It wouldn't even work.

The very existence requires that things be in
harmony.


Ya, but not THIS much!


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08 Aug 2007, 3:35 pm

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As you stated before, how do you know for a fact that women suck better than men? lol
Because being straight one can feel better when a woman does to you than a man, that's not a fact, it's a subjective view, because you are just seeing this in one single point of view, that of a straight man.


Indeed, I've rather heard the opposite.



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08 Aug 2007, 3:35 pm

how do you and all the other christians know your god is the one true god
what if the witches got it right after all



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08 Aug 2007, 3:37 pm

calandale wrote:
greenblue wrote:
As you stated before, how do you know for a fact that women suck better than men? lol
Because being straight one can feel better when a woman does to you than a man, that's not a fact, it's a subjective view, because you are just seeing this in one single point of view, that of a straight man.


Indeed, I've rather heard the opposite.

As have I.
Either way, it means nothing. It all depends on the individuals involved.



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08 Aug 2007, 3:38 pm

Ragtime wrote:
calandale wrote:
Ragtime wrote:

No, I find art in cats, birds, trees, flowers, even insects. Just proves my point even more.


Now, try and imagine a world where such
'rightness' didn't exist. It wouldn't even work.

The very existence requires that things be in
harmony.


Ya, but not THIS much!


there are discontinuities. Plus, remember
the subjective nature of your own view.
When you go someplace where things are
different, they seem oddly WRONG. Thinking
of other possible existences, would seem just
so wrong, but not to the inhabitants.