To religious people. Will atheists go to hell or heaven?
And in real life, I'm going to Heaven, and, it seems, you are not.
And that makes you happy or sad?
Overall, happy.
Ok, good, although what I actually meant was if the thought of twoshots not going to heaven made you happy or sad.
You cannot, but it's a rhetorical question anyway; I know why you'd seek to take it away.
And why is that?
And is not because we want you to suffer, or maybe we do?


Serouisly, you sounded so sure about you going in heaven, but oh well.
About taking away your joy and certainty, well not really, it is good to have such certainty actually, at least when you die you have that joy about something you expect later, however, the problem comes with what other beliefs come from, what you consider evil, who do you consider is going to hell and who goes to heaven, a little problem there a part from the joy.
I don't seem to be capable of having such certainty myself, I wonder how people can have it without resorting to empirical questions or doubt.
consistently in my posts.
Well, I think you know that most here must not see the Bible as real evidence.
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You got it!
Ok now I'm starting to fear Hell!

Fire and brimstone is one thing, but I thought at the very least I'd be able to get away from religious preaching.

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the Christian debates whether or not the Atheist will go to Heaven or Hell when they die.
the Atheist finds it rather irrelevant, because he's more worried about the fact that he'll be dead.
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Well, anyway, back on topic, I'm reading about this on wikipedia...
We need a general theology expert on this. What happens to non-Christians when they die is widely contended between sects, and in fact my wikipedia browsings seem to yield no coherent picture of what happens when people die at all.
The general picture does not look favorable. Catholic Limbo is a state which is either minimum misery or maximum natural happiness (not a bad afterlife), but it is reserved generally for unbaptized people who died in infancy (ands hence committed no sins of their own). What happens to those in Limbo on Judgment Day doesn't seem to be agreed upon either.
A passage I find interesting is that of Eastern Orthodoxy, where wikipedia says, "Similarly, although Orthodoxy teaches that salvation is obtained only through Christ and his Church, the fate of those outside the Church at the Last Judgment is left to the mercy of God and is not declared." This certainly seems to make the fate of non-Christians ambiguous.
There is however a doctrine called "Universal Reconciliation" whereby all people are eventually saved. This doesn't seem to be a terribly common belief, but in regards to Catholicism and Orthodox:
Russian Orthodox Bishop Hilarion of Vienna, in April 9, 2008, in his presentation at the First World Apostolic Congress of Divine Mercy at the Vatican, argued that God's mercy is so great that He does not condemn sinners to everlasting punishment. The Orthodox understanding of hell, Bishop Hilarion said, corresponds roughly to the Catholic notion of purgatory
So the idea that everyone will eventually be saved seems to be gaining some regard.
Going back to Catholicism momentarily, wikipedia also gives:
Catholic doctrine states that a person is not guilty of disbelief in Christ, and could be saved, if it is due to invincible ignorance, or ignorance which could not be disposed of, even if the person were to try to educate himself or herself about the nature of God. Such ignorance may be a result of a non-Catholic or non-Christian upbringing, as well as a result of never having heard of Jesus. However, those who are saved even though they have not faith in Jesus are saved not because of their disbelief, but in spite of it, because of God's mercy.
This seems fairly inclusive as to who gets saved.
So there you have it: it depends on who you ask. I have not represented the Protestant opinion because we have plenty of them around here...
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Some people are bad and they don't give a damn
what they do or who they hurt.
They go through their lives and don't apologize
for the s**t that they've disturbed.
But they don't bother me at all cuz I know quite well
When their lives are over and they've done what they've done
They're the people that are going to hell
Some beat their wives or pull out a knife
and stab a person or two or three
with no repercussions and no one here can touch them
and they get away scott free
But that's not the case you see and I'm glad to tell
When their lives are over and they've done what they've done
They're the people that are going to hell
They will spend eternity cursing all they've done
faced with karma consequences and nowhere left to run
They will be in agony until the end of time
Cuz they were such ass holes while alive
So try and be nice and to do what's right cuz there will come a day
When you're faced with your maker and no one here can save you
No matter what they say.
And be glad that you were good cuz some don't do so well and
when their lives are over and they've done what they've done
They're the people that are going to hell
My impression of Heaven and Hell - the version that makes the most sense to me personally - is a peculiar one. And I don't expect it to match up with any particular authority, or to match up with anyone else's notions:
Sins are not bad just because of an arbitary authority, but because they are actions that confuse and inevitably corrupt the soul. We may use authority in the education of children, but the more mature we get, the more we see first-hand the damage of sinful actions. An act like murder not only causes suffering in the victim and his family, but increasing pain in the perpetrator. The pursuit of wants beyond one's needs creates a growing sense of emptiness. These are particularly Buddhist notions.
People who are wrapped up in sins become deluded in excuses, and their minds become sick, and they become increasingly insistant that their actions are the right ones, that they are just victims of others. Even if you are unrepentant in life, imagine an eternity alone with your sins. These are typically people who would not accept forgiveness if it were offered, and I think a good God would extend forgiveness to everyone.
So I guess I see Hell as being just like Earth - people pursuing their empty desires and hurting one another for all eternity - except all the decent people have wandered off. The worst curse for nasty people is to have other nasty people as company, and the best blessing for good people is to have other good people as company. Personally, I think a good God would prefer to have everyone be decent folk and hang out together... but God expects us to make our own choices.
Just an idea.
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Actually, when you really come down to it, heaven and hell are just states of mind. Heaven being elation and joy; while hell could be considered depression and angst. No party rules other either except we ourselves, which means the true key to heaven is to live a happy life doing good for people.
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So no Hell for you then, at least thats what the Bible says.
Well, the "bad" guys will return to dust, (are we from dust scientifically speaking btw?) but they would have to suffer first, that is what hell is for, depending on the belief of course, some think hell is eternal torture, others just temporary and then, the liber..... I mean the bad guys, cease to exist.
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The idea of heaven is an utopia, a socialist utpoia it seems, by the way, a beautiful and happy place, eternal paradise, the idea is very appealing, so who wouldn't like to be living in a society like that? The problem lies on the many different beliefs on how to get there and who are suppose to enter and who's not.
Hell is seen in history as the punishment for bad behaviour in order to control society, so yes, pretty much it looks to instigate fear to people if they didn't obey. The Bible mentions the Lake of fire refering it to Hell, which I can say they would have being inspired by vulcanic eruptions of lava to come up with the idea of Hell.
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