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31 Aug 2008, 12:59 pm

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As a Christian, I can't align myself with enemies of God.


Whatever happened to "Love your neighbor as yourself"?


There's a difference.



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31 Aug 2008, 1:02 pm

slowmutant wrote:
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As a Christian, I can't align myself with enemies of God.


Whatever happened to "Love your neighbor as yourself"?


There's a difference.

So you wouldn't let an Atheist hug you?



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31 Aug 2008, 1:03 pm

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So you wouldn't let an Atheist hug you?
or kiss you? :P


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31 Aug 2008, 1:06 pm

z0rp wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
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As a Christian, I can't align myself with enemies of God.


Whatever happened to "Love your neighbor as yourself"?


There's a difference.

So you wouldn't let an Atheist hug you?


Not just any atheist. It would have to be someone I'm emotionally close to. I wouldn't hug someone simply because they are an atheist, nor woud I hug someone simply because they're a Christian. Generally, I don't hug people I don't know.



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31 Aug 2008, 1:09 pm

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Might some atheists fall into this fallacy?


Of course! The easiest way to lose an argument is to be convinced that you are infallible (the same is true in love and war). :)


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31 Aug 2008, 2:49 pm

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Of course! The easiest way to lose an argument is to be convinced that you are infallible (the same is true in love and war). :)

Hmm... I usually win by being convinced that I am infallible. If you think that you cannot lose, and keep going forward no matter what, it can really unnerve your opponents.



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31 Aug 2008, 3:30 pm

Giving favor to people merely because they like you is part of the human condition, not part of God.

Matt. 5:43-48

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You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those that persecute you, so that you may be children of your Father in heaven; for He makes the sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers and sisters, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.


If, to be like the Father, one must love their enemies and pray for those who persecute them, doesn't that mean that the Father also loves His enemies? Why then would Jesus, who taught us to love our enemies, turn any of His own enemies away from heaven? Jesus was very big on the "practice what you preach" thing, so I doubt it...



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31 Aug 2008, 3:46 pm

slowmutant wrote:
ToadOfSteel wrote:
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As a Christian, I can't align myself with enemies of God.


Whatever happened to "Love your neighbor as yourself"?


There's a difference.


Why surely. Christians only practice what they preach when it serves their interest to do so. Anyone ever heard This before:

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ!" -Ghandi



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31 Aug 2008, 3:57 pm

Haliphron wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
ToadOfSteel wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
As a Christian, I can't align myself with enemies of God.


Whatever happened to "Love your neighbor as yourself"?


There's a difference.


Why surely. Christians only practice what they preach when it serves their interest to do so. Anyone ever heard This before:

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ!" -Ghandi


It's too bad Gandhi never met Martin Luther King, given that they were from two different time periods. I think they would have gotten along so well. (Not to mention that King used Gandhi's writings to form his civil rights protest in the 1960s)



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31 Aug 2008, 5:24 pm

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Satanism is a reactionary form of Christianity

So no

There was atheism well before Satanism


Well, actually True Satanism is just a form of Atheism..

BUT, IF you're an Atheist, that does NOT make you a Satanist.


plain and simple.



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31 Aug 2008, 6:00 pm

ShawnWilliam wrote:
chever wrote:
Satanism is a reactionary form of Christianity

So no

There was atheism well before Satanism


Well, actually True Satanism is just a form of Atheism..

AFAIK, you have to believe, at least in Satan as a powerful being to worship him, to be a "True" Satanism, that seems to conflict with the definition of Atheism.

I think the term Modern Satanism would be most likely the case here.
http://modernsatanism.com/satanism.html

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Modern Satanism is a belief system that empowers the individual to be their own God, to be their own caretaker. This does not mean you cannot have a partner in life, a significant other, or a loved one. It means you take care of yourself as opposed to prayer and false hopes asked of a God or complete stranger to do it for you. You are supposed to accept your own responsibilities and be able to accept the outcome of your actions. As a Modern Satanist, you should not depend on a myth to pay for your actions. The stories that some Jesus Christ came to Earth and has paid for your sins does NOT mean you are above the laws today, and you will be held liable for any crimes committed.

As a Modern Satanist, You thank YOURSELF for all the hard work and repetition of a task to perfect it, not some man made God. You are the one who soaked many a rag with your sweat and hard labor to become what you are. You need not thank any higher power for these skills. You would want to thank family, friends, and coworkers for their support, and comforting they have provided along the way.


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"Modern Satanism" is the observance and practice of Satanic religious beliefs, philosophies and practices. In this interpretation of Satanism, the Satanist does not worship Satan in the theistic sense, but is an adversary to all spiritual creeds, espousing hedonism, materialism, Randian Objectivism, antinomianism, suitheism, Nietzschean and some Crowleyan philosophy and anti-theism. "Modern Satanists" are also sometimes referred to as symbolic and purist Satanists and are often ignored by members of other Satanic sects due to lacking research endeavors of some Satanists.


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31 Aug 2008, 7:03 pm

greenblue wrote:
ShawnWilliam wrote:
chever wrote:
Satanism is a reactionary form of Christianity

So no

There was atheism well before Satanism


Well, actually True Satanism is just a form of Atheism..

AFAIK, you have to believe, at least in Satan as a powerful being to worship him, to be a "True" Satanism, that seems to conflict with the definition of Atheism.


but thats what im saying is at least one church of Satan that i knew about wasn a worship of Satan.. it was a worship of PEOPLE, with Satan as nothing more than a symbol.. I tried looking for the video but i lost it.. but a satanist priest was the one saying this, so the main Satanist Church is a form of atheism.. just a more organised and well.. evil one.



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01 Sep 2008, 2:58 am

ShawnWilliam wrote:
greenblue wrote:
ShawnWilliam wrote:
chever wrote:
Satanism is a reactionary form of Christianity

So no

There was atheism well before Satanism


Well, actually True Satanism is just a form of Atheism..

AFAIK, you have to believe, at least in Satan as a powerful being to worship him, to be a "True" Satanism, that seems to conflict with the definition of Atheism.


but thats what im saying is at least one church of Satan that i knew about wasn a worship of Satan.. it was a worship of PEOPLE, with Satan as nothing more than a symbol.. I tried looking for the video but i lost it.. but a satanist priest was the one saying this, so the main Satanist Church is a form of atheism.. just a more organised and well.. evil one.

Evil? Why do people always seem to form an idea of what's good and what's bad? If you are referring to Laveyan Satanism which is what the Church of Satan practices there's not much evil about at all, I think it's stupid and immature to perform rituals in a church, especially if you're deep down an Atheist but I don't see them killing people or forcing their beliefs down people's throats. Do you? When was the last time you saw a Satanist knock on your door and handing you a pamphlet?



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01 Sep 2008, 7:55 am

Satanism is not evil. Satanism is a group of disgruntled adolescents trying to unnerve their parents. There have been murders linked to Satanism, but there have been murders linked to every religion.

I think we may be confusing what Satanism wants to be for what Satanism actually is. There is an oft-mentioned line between stupid and evil.


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01 Sep 2008, 9:34 am

Wouldn't Satanism defeat the very principle of Atheism?

I mean, if they worship the devil...most Atheist's don't even believe there is a devil.



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01 Sep 2008, 10:43 am

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Is Atheism Satanism?

Post, flame, discuss, debate and shout about to your heart's content.


why do you think this, are you christian or religious?

hopefully i don't hear any religious person yell "BLASPHEMY!" at me lol, but as I have posted on other forums out religion, I believe the word "atheist" shouldn't really exist, why? because it is a label a religious person can use against you for not having a belief, it shouldn't exist because when i was born i did not choose to be an atheist, i was born into it, that doesn't mean i'm lost or evil, or that i need to choose a religion, I believe in nature & born into FREEDOM

Hopefully religious people aren't too stubborn and start to think WHY the most smartest people (recorded) on this planet (Einstein, Freud etc) are not religious?

religious people need to remember that you don't need to be religious to be a "good" person

also people have to understand their are variables in everything,
Understand that Atheism really is a person who wishes to really have nothing to do with religion, and that there is no definate true or known "Satanism" cult,
Im guessing real Satanism wouldve been created much like Anti-Freemasonry or such, where the religious/cultist person believed in a religion until they seen a devastating fault in it and chose to make an ANTI or opposing group

But there is tons of groups and orgs that have differences in beliefs and there probably is a group with mixed atheist AND Satanic views

also I believe much poorer countries are being slandered with the "satanism" label because they turned to cannibalism or sum weird sh*t, this is soo obvious this is being perpetuated from the INSIDE of religion to make it seem there really is a "Satan" or true evil to fear, thus justifying religion to go to war on these countries mentally and systematically