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I do not believe I have ever read him to make this type of statement.

Extrapolate on this until you become a good person.

*heart*

A little rough perhaps, but there is definitely some truth to this.

It is this kind of statement that makes so many want to rail against you. Some of us don't recognize the concept of "sin", you are arrogantly stating the world is one way, when many of us don't agree with you. If you left ANY room open for their views, you'd probably be received more kindly.

This is insulting. This is far worse in my mind than any personal attack (especially a justified one) could ever be.

You never directly said it, but it could easily be perceived in many of your statements.

I get offended by arrogant absolutism.

He didnt say them explicitly but what I was suggesting is that he has ulterior motives for being violently opposed to abortion and uses the moral argument as a cover.

Nonetheless there is STRONG support for the radical wing of the pro-life movement by white supramacist groups in the US, most notably the Ku Klux Klan.

Just because you are a christian and cognito is not does NOT mean that the rules(like not judging others lest thou be judged) dont apply to you,Shadowgirl! The fact that christians think that because they are more righteous that God will let them get away with things that non-christians cannot really says a lot about the TRUE PURPOSE of religion!

I think you're misunderstanding her intent -- she's responding to blatant insults and accusations of un-Christian conduct from a non-Christian who doesn't understand Christianity very well.

I don't think she's saying that the rules don't apply to her or any other Christians (they certainly do). If you have a point to make about it, by all means make the point, just don't get nasty about it like in the post she was responding to.

Later on you say "If you left ANY room open for their views, you'd probably be received more kindly." and "you are arrogantly stating the world is one way, when many of us don't agree with you." Why don't you follow your own advice, and let her have her views and disagree with you?

If you'd heard that a notorious serial killer was murdered in prison by another inmate, wouldn't you think he deserved it?

If you came to the conclusion that the serial killer's murder was unjustified, would you really come to that conclusion lightheartedly and easily?

"Sin" is the Christian word for wrong acts. She just basically stated that nobody's perfect, including you. That isn't arrogant, it's a fact.

In her view, what she's wishing on him is an incredibly good thing. Given that this was her response to a blatant and direct insult to her, it is certainly not insulting. If it had been insulting, it wouldn't have been justified (since personal insults are unjustifiable), but it would have been provoked.

Prove it or take it back. I have never seen her make any statement that presumed superiority over anyone else.

Hey if you don't want a baby don't have sex.

It's not meant to be read and understood by everybloodybody. The deaf and blind (aka stony or semi-fertile ground) will never be able to appreciate it.

the end.

Well its true ain't it?

You need to take a good long and hard look at yourself and turn to God to show you.

Of course there is a God.

Him going to church and still practice what he did is not right.

Atheist are the losing battle and whats sad is they don't even know it.

I'd be interested in what exactly you mean by this. If you mean that anyone who has the gall to think that they are right and you are wrong is arrogant, it would seem to be a bit of arrogant absolutism itself.

she's responding to blatant insults

just don't get nasty about it like in the post she was responding to.

Shadow girl has yet to refute any evidence raised against her view and side stepped it by saying the questioner should basically convert.

Nonetheless there is STRONG support for the radical wing of the pro-life movement by white supramacist groups in the US, most notably the Ku Klux Klan.

Blatant insults should be regarded with far more respect than disguised insults. At least you're saying it like you feel it, something Christians often seem to have a problem doing.

So, you're gonna jump on me every time I get a touch reactionary? Just add an imo at the end, I don't always qualify myself. She's taking some joy from the murder of another (fully-alive and conscious) human being, and she follows that up by admitting a small bit of guilt for this. I think she should continue this train of thought, and it might just lead her to a place where she actually does respect life (imo...)

Further, I don't see how you can suggest that I don't leave room open for other viewpoints. If you read back to other posts in PPR, I've done it time and again. I'm one of the only people making an attempt to properly qualify myself to avoid absolutist statements. I constantly refer to my agnostic nature, and often-times, I'm not even making a case, I'm merely showing the folly of another person's case.

There is a distinct difference between someone "deserving" something and something being "justified".

The "nobody is perfect" part I would agree with, I wouldn't say it's a fact. But the arrogance stems from the line "you are a sinner like me and everyone else on the planet".

what matters is how it will be perceived by others. If I find it insulting, it's insulting.

Justification has absolutely nothing to do with it. Provocation has nothing to do with it.

That's because you're a Christian, so you wouldn't see it.

I can't "prove it", because it's a matter of perception, and perception is relative. To attempt to show you what I mean...

I may be arrogant at times, but I am not an absolutist, as much as you have read my posts, please tell me you see this. I mean to say that anyone who thinks they are absolutely right to the exclusion of all other viewpoints, and proceeds to hold this over other people (especially in a philosophical forum), is an arrogant absolutist. It has nothing to do with simply disagreeing with the views that I personally hold. I actually have much respect for many people who disagree with me, and much respect for viewpoints that I don't hold.

Shadow girl has yet to refute any evidence raised against her view and side stepped it by saying the questioner should basically convert.

I am gonna be straight, I will never convert to your beliefs for I find them silly.

I don't think shadow girl understands god's true message but w/e, in the end we will see who is right. However, I must say the inablitly to allow one's mind to view this from someone's perspecitve is a bit disheartening. Shadow girl has yet to refute any evidence raised against her view and side stepped it by saying the questioner should basically convert. I am gonna be straight, I will never convert to your beliefs for I find them silly. However, abortion is not once mentioned in the bible, so please direct me to the passage so I may see it myself.

I notice those are all from the Old Testament.

I notice those are all from the Old Testament. Jesus Christ made a new Covenant - can you find us some references from that New Covenant?

The Commandments didn't change they stayed.

21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 but I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath aught against thee;
24 leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, while thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 but I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32 but I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
34 but I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: Is.
35 nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: Is. neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: Ex.
39 but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 that ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

I think you're misunderstanding her intent -- she's responding to blatant insults and accusations of un-Christian conduct from a non-Christian who doesn't understand Christianity very well.

I don't think she's saying that the rules don't apply to her or any other Christians (they certainly do). If you have a point to make about it, by all means make the point, just don't get nasty about it like in the post she was responding to.