Feminism vs. Equality
Yes, I realize that. Claiming legitimate victims should have their character attacked because a small percentage of reported cases are false is rather odd.
The fact that many more cases go unreported makes it even less likely that a woman saying she was raped is lying.
? The fact that we have no idea how many false rapes there are in comparison to true rapes makes it unlikely we can say whether a rape claim is likely false or true. No one is claiming anyone should have their character attacked. It would just be best to stick as close to a fair trial as possible. Which will not get done if defenses are cut off on an emotional basis.
How is it considered a fair trial when the victim is being asked what she wore the night of the alleged assault and what their sexual history was with the accused? Those things are not the least bit relevant in determining whether or not the victim was raped by the accused or not.
Then the judge can put a stop to it. We(We'll America and Canada, don' know about elsewhere) do have laws limiting those defenses already though so I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up it's an issue that's been dealt with legally.
How is it considered a fair trial when the victim is being asked what she wore the night of the alleged assault and what their sexual history was with the accused? Those things are not the least bit relevant in determining whether or not the victim was raped by the accused or not.
Then the judge can put a stop to it. We(We'll America and Canada, don' know about elsewhere) do have laws limiting those defenses already though so I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up it's an issue that's been dealt with legally.
The problem is many judges *don't* put a stop to it. In fact, some even buy into it and declare the victim partially to blame for their assault.
So tell me, how is a rape victim supposed to handle that?
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The child has a right to both parents and both parents can learn to take care of their child, there is no reason to assume that only one parent is capable just because that is how the work was divvied during marriage.
When a couple splits up, what's best for the child/ren involved is what's of the most concern. For some, an even split of custody is best, for others the father being the primary caregiver is what's best.
For some yes when one parent has been proven as harmful to the child. Otherwise why shouldn't it be shared?
The point is contact with both parents should be the default, one parent households have already been shown as more harmful to children.(Link) There is no reason to cut out one parent based on a status quo that's ending.
How is it considered a fair trial when the victim is being asked what she wore the night of the alleged assault and what their sexual history was with the accused? Those things are not the least bit relevant in determining whether or not the victim was raped by the accused or not.
Then the judge can put a stop to it. We(We'll America and Canada, don' know about elsewhere) do have laws limiting those defenses already though so I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up it's an issue that's been dealt with legally.
The problem is many judges *don't* put a stop to it. In fact, some even buy into it and declare the victim partially to blame for their assault.
So tell me, how is a rape victim supposed to handle that?
Judges do not buy into that sh*t, prove so or shut your cob, the only people who buy into that s**t are the media and the people they sell to.
How is it considered a fair trial when the victim is being asked what she wore the night of the alleged assault and what their sexual history was with the accused? Those things are not the least bit relevant in determining whether or not the victim was raped by the accused or not.
Then the judge can put a stop to it. We(We'll America and Canada, don' know about elsewhere) do have laws limiting those defenses already though so I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up it's an issue that's been dealt with legally.
The problem is many judges *don't* put a stop to it. In fact, some even buy into it and declare the victim partially to blame for their assault.
So tell me, how is a rape victim supposed to handle that?
Judges do not buy into that sh*t, prove so or shut your cob, the only people who buy into that sh** are the media and the people they sell to.
lol I already told you I am not here to prove I'm right. You are free not to believe me if you so choose. No skin off my back.
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The child has a right to both parents and both parents can learn to take care of their child, there is no reason to assume that only one parent is capable just because that is how the work was divvied during marriage.
When a couple splits up, what's best for the child/ren involved is what's of the most concern. For some, an even split of custody is best, for others the father being the primary caregiver is what's best.
The point is that children shouldn't automatically go to the mother.
They don't. They go to the parent who was most involved with their care during the marriage.
The child has a right to both parents and both parents can learn to take care of their child, there is no reason to assume that only one parent is capable just because that is how the work was divvied during marriage.
When a couple splits up, what's best for the child/ren involved is what's of the most concern. For some, an even split of custody is best, for others the father being the primary caregiver is what's best.
The point is that children shouldn't automatically go to the mother.
They don't. They go to the parent who was most involved with their care during the marriage.
That depends largely on the couple and what state we're talking about, actually.
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That is the current state, the court assigns a primary custody parent and then refuses to enforce any visitation rights. Heck when you assume the one parent is better than another on traits that obviously don't have to be maintained your effectively enforcing the former division of labor. Unless the primary custodian takes some kind of support they won't be able to maintain it.
That is the current state, the court assigns a primary custody parent and then refuses to enforce any visitation rights. Heck when you assume the one parent is better than another on traits that obviously don't have to be maintained your effectively enforcing the former division of labor. Unless the primary custodian takes some kind of support they won't be able to maintain it.
It's true that some courts don't enforce visitation rights to the non-custodial parent, but there have been many cases where a non-custodial parent won custody on the basis of parental alienation.
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Wrt the treatment of rape victims by the legal system:
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/08/30/d ... pe-victims
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/01/21/c ... pe-victims
http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/region ... her-report
http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/se ... o=ED149221
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/01/29/d ... ecord-rape
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 207765.ece
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =124073905
http://womensphere.wordpress.com/2008/0 ... angladesh/
http://www.hrw.org/node/92724
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-11707903
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162- ... 04083.html
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2011/03/15/n ... ape-victim
wrt. rape shield laws:
http://www.crisisconnectioninc.org/sexu ... ld_law.htm
https://litigation-essentials.lexisnexi ... 71b12c4783
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/10/2 ... s-on-Trial
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/08/30/d ... pe-victims
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/01/21/c ... pe-victims
http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/region ... her-report
http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/se ... o=ED149221
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/01/29/d ... ecord-rape
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 207765.ece
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =124073905
http://womensphere.wordpress.com/2008/0 ... angladesh/
http://www.hrw.org/node/92724
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-11707903
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162- ... 04083.html
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2011/03/15/n ... ape-victim
I don't see what any of these have to do with points I raised. EDIT: Which is to say individual cases do not prove that a law is conductive to unnecessary abuse. , Also I am focusing on countries who's feminists movements are established, some of these cases are from countries who are just now starting to receive feminist movements.
http://www.crisisconnectioninc.org/sexu ... ld_law.htm
https://litigation-essentials.lexisnexi ... 71b12c4783
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/10/2 ... s-on-Trial
The first is not a comment on the courts behavior but the media and the internets, it also outlines the opinion that the previous relationship(EDIT: That is the previous relationship between defendant and alleged victim) is not relevant to the trial which is false, if the man had shown signs of aggression such as battery towards the woman would that not be admitted? Even then a previous relationship would not wipe away a rape claim, so their point seems silly to me.
The second and third exceptions to the federal shield (and to analogous state shields), however, render the armor defective. The second exception—the admission of sexual history with the defendant—cracks the shield because, according to the Department of Justice, 62 percent of adult rapes are committed by prior intimates—spouses, ex-spouses, boyfriends, or ex-boyfriends. The third exception—the admission of evidence when its exclusion would violate the defendant’s constitutional rights—often crumbles what is left of the shield because courts routinely misinterpret and exaggerate the scope of the defendant’s constitutional right to inquire into the complainant’s sexual history, particularly when the complainant is deemed promiscuous with the defendant or others.
She takes offense at the exceptions to the federal rape shield laws all of which are reasonable. From here there are several things for me to take issue with but I am not up to that, which parts are you using for your argument? And what exactly is your argument.
Second link points to
Which is a specific and reasonable exception so I am not certain what your argument for this is either.
The third link points to exceptions that I can agree are unreasonable. But that is a proposal not a passed law.
haven't read the posts since my last visit, but wanted to drop off this link as relevant to this thread:
http://www.salon.com/life/scott_adams/i ... s_movement
http://www.salon.com/life/scott_adams/i ... s_movement
Yeah I thought the Scott Adams thing was a joke seems people took it seriously, I suppose he could just be a dick.
The last pocket of Swedish resistance to feminism has finally been converted to the cause:
http://www.thelocal.se/32946/20110401/
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