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11 May 2011, 2:52 am
Bethie wrote:
Philologos wrote:
Bethie wrote:
01001011 wrote:
What you are doing here is no different from a 5 years old yelling 'I've got a Christmas present, Santa exists' or even worse.
No god ever gave me a renovated dollhouse for my then-homeless family of farting and snoring Furbies.
Santa: 1,000,000 god: 0
And at least Santa's a CHEERFUL old omniscient fat man.
Ah, Bethie!.
If you are right in saying that my belief in an external designer/creator entails his responsibility fofr all things, then I MUST beliefe that dollhouse and the Furbies were written into the plan by God.
Further, unless you have good reason to buy into Coca Cola, Hallmark, and really stupid songs, Nicolaos is NOT fat. He is NOT omniscient. There is no evidence that he is cheerful, in fact most testimonies suggest that apart from his stealth gift predilection he is rather dour and judgemental.
Certainly that is how I played him in our Latin class presentation in 9th grade.
Pft. I don't give two sh!ts if god wrote Furbies into "the plan"- Santa's the one who gave ME stuffs, and that's why I believe in him.
Of course Santa's fat- he eats millions of cookies with milk and has a very stressful job. How dare you shame him by implying he shouldn't be?!
Santa sees you when you're sleeping and knows when you're awake! He knows EVERYTHING little boys and girls do, good and bad, which is why you gotta be good if you want presents. And believe in him, of course.
Santa doesn't speak Latin. Don't you remember when he said "Rudolph with your nose so bright/won't you guide my sleigh tonight, thus hiring Rudolph to lead his reindeer team? What about where he says "Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night"? You're not very well-researched.
Come back when you have your scientific facts straight.
the facts are as follows:
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Santa Claus, a jolly old fat man with a long white beard who is said to distribute presents to good children on Christmas Eve, is largely based on Odin, merged with the Christian legend of Saint Nicholas of Myra. Most Christmas traditions in Germanic countries derive from celebrations of the pagan winter solstice holiday Yule as a result of the gradual merging of the two holidays.
Odin was recorded as leading a great Yule hunting party through the sky. Two books from Iceland, the Poetic Edda, compiled in the 13th century from earlier sources, and the Prose Edda, written in the 13th century by Snorri Sturluson, describe Odin as riding an eight-legged horse named Sleipnir that could leap great distances, giving rise to comparisons to Santa Claus's reindeer. Further, Odin was referred to by many names in Skaldic poetry, some of which describe his appearance or functions; these include Síðgrani, Síðskeggr, Langbarðr, (all meaning "long beard") and Jólnir ("Yule figure").
According to Phyllis Siefker, children would place their boots, filled with carrots, straw, or sugar, near the chimney for Odin's flying horse, Sleipnir, to eat. Odin would then reward those children for their kindness by replacing Sleipnir's food with gifts or candy. This practice, she claims, survived in Germany, Belgium, and the Netherlands after the adoption of Christianity and became associated with Saint Nicholas as a result of the process of Christianization and can be still seen in the modern practice of the hanging of stockings at the chimney in some homes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin#Persi ... d_folklore
Odin was recorded as leading a great Yule hunting party through the sky. Two books from Iceland, the Poetic Edda, compiled in the 13th century from earlier sources, and the Prose Edda, written in the 13th century by Snorri Sturluson, describe Odin as riding an eight-legged horse named Sleipnir that could leap great distances, giving rise to comparisons to Santa Claus's reindeer. Further, Odin was referred to by many names in Skaldic poetry, some of which describe his appearance or functions; these include Síðgrani, Síðskeggr, Langbarðr, (all meaning "long beard") and Jólnir ("Yule figure").
According to Phyllis Siefker, children would place their boots, filled with carrots, straw, or sugar, near the chimney for Odin's flying horse, Sleipnir, to eat. Odin would then reward those children for their kindness by replacing Sleipnir's food with gifts or candy. This practice, she claims, survived in Germany, Belgium, and the Netherlands after the adoption of Christianity and became associated with Saint Nicholas as a result of the process of Christianization and can be still seen in the modern practice of the hanging of stockings at the chimney in some homes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin#Persi ... d_folklore
another proof that christianity has no original ideas, but steals, begs and borrows from other religions...
jesus wasn't even born in december!
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leejosepho
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11 May 2011, 3:05 am
Sand wrote:
... isn't there some indication in the Bible about God being jealous of other gods?
No, that would be envy and non-fitting. Just like you and me, He is only/simply jealous of the affection of the people He loves (assuming you love somebody
).
11 May 2011, 3:07 am
leejosepho wrote:
aspi-rant wrote:
sorry that i didn't took the time to make separate quotes.
Not a problem, and it grieves me that you do not seem interested in any actual discussion.
re-read this thread (and the other one) and come again...
you, among others, gladly ignored me several times in the two threads about atheists...
what you state now, is a common argument for people who have no clue how to keep their broken arguments alive if they continue debating with someone... they pull the "one cannot discuss with you" card out.
11 May 2011, 3:11 am
leejosepho wrote:
Sand wrote:
... isn't there some indication in the Bible about God being jealous of other gods?
No, that would be envy and non-fitting. Just like you and me, He is only/simply jealous of the affection of the people He loves (assuming you love somebody
).he wanted his early minions to destroy a golden statue of some bovine animal... an animal that still is worshipped and holy in other religions...
he was jealous alright.
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Elohei Elohim.
The God of gods (Deut. 10:17; Josh. 22:22; Ps. 136:2)
what gods???
the pegan gods that existed before he did??? the same pegan gods who created the universe... before him???
no wonder he is jealous...
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