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23 Nov 2011, 12:07 am

Inuyasha wrote:
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He says he was consulting as a "Historian." For more than $1 million.
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http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-11 ... fannie-mae


Wasn't that the total amount about $1.6 million total out of an EIGHT YEAR PERIOD. That drops the amount Gingrich's company was getting to about $200,000 a year, which is kind of a middle of the road consulting fee.

Unless you're saying that Gingrich has grounds to sue Freddie Mac for breach of contract, I really don't see anything here other than the usual smear campaign from the left. Gingrich was a private citizen, he was not a sitting congressman like Barney Frank, whom Gingrich wouldn't touch with a barge poll.

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As Jack Abramoff, who has recently been released from prison for his intimate knowledge of corruption first hand, had pointed in an interview that no historian is worth a million dollars.
If Casino Jack says someone's dirty, I think that carries a lot of weight, as it's coming from someone who can spot a crook from a mile away - because he used to be the king of crooks.


Is it the fact you didn't bother to read, you couldn't comprehend a particular fact, or you just didn't care about a particular fact. The fact in question is that the $1.6 million was the total amount his company made over an eight year period. That drops the amount to about $200,000 a year for Gingrich's company, which is a middle of the road consulting fee.


2000,000 dollars is an extravagant amount for working - as I understand it - just a few hours once a year.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You have 1 to many zeros, and that wasn't a payment to him personally that was to Gingrich's company, which has overhead.


Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuse me! :P

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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23 Nov 2011, 12:18 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
LKL wrote:
He says he was consulting as a "Historian." For more than $1 million.
edit:
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-11 ... fannie-mae


Wasn't that the total amount about $1.6 million total out of an EIGHT YEAR PERIOD. That drops the amount Gingrich's company was getting to about $200,000 a year, which is kind of a middle of the road consulting fee.

Unless you're saying that Gingrich has grounds to sue Freddie Mac for breach of contract, I really don't see anything here other than the usual smear campaign from the left. Gingrich was a private citizen, he was not a sitting congressman like Barney Frank, whom Gingrich wouldn't touch with a barge poll.

Kraichgauer wrote:
As Jack Abramoff, who has recently been released from prison for his intimate knowledge of corruption first hand, had pointed in an interview that no historian is worth a million dollars.
If Casino Jack says someone's dirty, I think that carries a lot of weight, as it's coming from someone who can spot a crook from a mile away - because he used to be the king of crooks.


Is it the fact you didn't bother to read, you couldn't comprehend a particular fact, or you just didn't care about a particular fact. The fact in question is that the $1.6 million was the total amount his company made over an eight year period. That drops the amount to about $200,000 a year for Gingrich's company, which is a middle of the road consulting fee.


2000,000 dollars is an extravagant amount for working - as I understand it - just a few hours once a year.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You have 1 to many zeros, and that wasn't a payment to him personally that was to Gingrich's company, which has overhead.


Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuse me! :P

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Kraichgauer the fact you had 1 too many zeros and the payment wasn't to Gingrich personally but rather to his company makes that a big deal, cause it derails what you're trying to imply.



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23 Nov 2011, 12:27 am

Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
LKL wrote:
He says he was consulting as a "Historian." For more than $1 million.
edit:
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-11 ... fannie-mae


Wasn't that the total amount about $1.6 million total out of an EIGHT YEAR PERIOD. That drops the amount Gingrich's company was getting to about $200,000 a year, which is kind of a middle of the road consulting fee.

Unless you're saying that Gingrich has grounds to sue Freddie Mac for breach of contract, I really don't see anything here other than the usual smear campaign from the left. Gingrich was a private citizen, he was not a sitting congressman like Barney Frank, whom Gingrich wouldn't touch with a barge poll.

Kraichgauer wrote:
As Jack Abramoff, who has recently been released from prison for his intimate knowledge of corruption first hand, had pointed in an interview that no historian is worth a million dollars.
If Casino Jack says someone's dirty, I think that carries a lot of weight, as it's coming from someone who can spot a crook from a mile away - because he used to be the king of crooks.


Is it the fact you didn't bother to read, you couldn't comprehend a particular fact, or you just didn't care about a particular fact. The fact in question is that the $1.6 million was the total amount his company made over an eight year period. That drops the amount to about $200,000 a year for Gingrich's company, which is a middle of the road consulting fee.


2000,000 dollars is an extravagant amount for working - as I understand it - just a few hours once a year.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You have 1 to many zeros, and that wasn't a payment to him personally that was to Gingrich's company, which has overhead.


Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuse me! :P

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Kraichgauer the fact you had 1 too many zeros and the payment wasn't to Gingrich personally but rather to his company makes that a big deal, cause it derails what you're trying to imply.


I assume money given to his company goes to him.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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23 Nov 2011, 12:28 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
LKL wrote:
He says he was consulting as a "Historian." For more than $1 million.
edit:
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-11 ... fannie-mae


Wasn't that the total amount about $1.6 million total out of an EIGHT YEAR PERIOD. That drops the amount Gingrich's company was getting to about $200,000 a year, which is kind of a middle of the road consulting fee.

Unless you're saying that Gingrich has grounds to sue Freddie Mac for breach of contract, I really don't see anything here other than the usual smear campaign from the left. Gingrich was a private citizen, he was not a sitting congressman like Barney Frank, whom Gingrich wouldn't touch with a barge poll.

Kraichgauer wrote:
As Jack Abramoff, who has recently been released from prison for his intimate knowledge of corruption first hand, had pointed in an interview that no historian is worth a million dollars.
If Casino Jack says someone's dirty, I think that carries a lot of weight, as it's coming from someone who can spot a crook from a mile away - because he used to be the king of crooks.


Is it the fact you didn't bother to read, you couldn't comprehend a particular fact, or you just didn't care about a particular fact. The fact in question is that the $1.6 million was the total amount his company made over an eight year period. That drops the amount to about $200,000 a year for Gingrich's company, which is a middle of the road consulting fee.


2000,000 dollars is an extravagant amount for working - as I understand it - just a few hours once a year.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You have 1 to many zeros, and that wasn't a payment to him personally that was to Gingrich's company, which has overhead.


Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuse me! :P

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Kraichgauer the fact you had 1 too many zeros and the payment wasn't to Gingrich personally but rather to his company makes that a big deal, cause it derails what you're trying to imply.


I assume money given to his company goes to him.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


A substancial amount of it went to his company's employees.



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23 Nov 2011, 12:47 am

Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
LKL wrote:
He says he was consulting as a "Historian." For more than $1 million.
edit:
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-11 ... fannie-mae


Wasn't that the total amount about $1.6 million total out of an EIGHT YEAR PERIOD. That drops the amount Gingrich's company was getting to about $200,000 a year, which is kind of a middle of the road consulting fee.

Unless you're saying that Gingrich has grounds to sue Freddie Mac for breach of contract, I really don't see anything here other than the usual smear campaign from the left. Gingrich was a private citizen, he was not a sitting congressman like Barney Frank, whom Gingrich wouldn't touch with a barge poll.

Kraichgauer wrote:
As Jack Abramoff, who has recently been released from prison for his intimate knowledge of corruption first hand, had pointed in an interview that no historian is worth a million dollars.
If Casino Jack says someone's dirty, I think that carries a lot of weight, as it's coming from someone who can spot a crook from a mile away - because he used to be the king of crooks.


Is it the fact you didn't bother to read, you couldn't comprehend a particular fact, or you just didn't care about a particular fact. The fact in question is that the $1.6 million was the total amount his company made over an eight year period. That drops the amount to about $200,000 a year for Gingrich's company, which is a middle of the road consulting fee.


2000,000 dollars is an extravagant amount for working - as I understand it - just a few hours once a year.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You have 1 to many zeros, and that wasn't a payment to him personally that was to Gingrich's company, which has overhead.


Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuse me! :P

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Kraichgauer the fact you had 1 too many zeros and the payment wasn't to Gingrich personally but rather to his company makes that a big deal, cause it derails what you're trying to imply.


I assume money given to his company goes to him.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


A substancial amount of it went to his company's employees.


I'll believe that when I see proof of it.

-B ill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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23 Nov 2011, 12:49 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
LKL wrote:
He says he was consulting as a "Historian." For more than $1 million.
edit:
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-11 ... fannie-mae


Wasn't that the total amount about $1.6 million total out of an EIGHT YEAR PERIOD. That drops the amount Gingrich's company was getting to about $200,000 a year, which is kind of a middle of the road consulting fee.

Unless you're saying that Gingrich has grounds to sue Freddie Mac for breach of contract, I really don't see anything here other than the usual smear campaign from the left. Gingrich was a private citizen, he was not a sitting congressman like Barney Frank, whom Gingrich wouldn't touch with a barge poll.

Kraichgauer wrote:
As Jack Abramoff, who has recently been released from prison for his intimate knowledge of corruption first hand, had pointed in an interview that no historian is worth a million dollars.
If Casino Jack says someone's dirty, I think that carries a lot of weight, as it's coming from someone who can spot a crook from a mile away - because he used to be the king of crooks.


Is it the fact you didn't bother to read, you couldn't comprehend a particular fact, or you just didn't care about a particular fact. The fact in question is that the $1.6 million was the total amount his company made over an eight year period. That drops the amount to about $200,000 a year for Gingrich's company, which is a middle of the road consulting fee.


2000,000 dollars is an extravagant amount for working - as I understand it - just a few hours once a year.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You have 1 to many zeros, and that wasn't a payment to him personally that was to Gingrich's company, which has overhead.


Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuse me! :P

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Kraichgauer the fact you had 1 too many zeros and the payment wasn't to Gingrich personally but rather to his company makes that a big deal, cause it derails what you're trying to imply.


I assume money given to his company goes to him.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


A substancial amount of it went to his company's employees.


I'll believe that when I see proof of it.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Employees are not slaves Kraichgauer.



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23 Nov 2011, 12:58 am

I'm aware of that, as my Dad used to defend working stiffs as the union grievance man (shop steward) from the company.
But it's also true that there is a huge gulf between how much of the money taken in that actually goes to the workers, and that which goes to the CEO.

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23 Nov 2011, 5:33 pm

I haven't seen anything about Newt Gingrich owning a company with employees.

I've only seen reports like this

http://articles.businessinsider.com/201 ... t-gingrich

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BUSTED: Newt Gingrich Lied About What He Did For Freddie Mac

In last week's CNBC debate, newly-minted top-tier Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich claimed he was hired by Fannie Mae to be a "historian," and claimed that pointed out flaws in their "insane" business model.

But an investigation by Bloomberg reveals that Gingrich was much more involved with the government-backed lender than he let on — and that he was hired to promote the company (and its business practices) to other conservatives.

Bloomberg reports:

"Former Freddie Mac officials familiar with the consulting work Gingrich was hired to perform for the company in 2006 tell a different story. They say the former House speaker was asked to build bridges to Capitol Hill Republicans and develop an argument on behalf of the company's public-private structure that would resonate with conservatives seeking to dismantle it."



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23 Nov 2011, 5:42 pm

Even Fox Noise characterizes Newt Gingrich as a liar

http://nation.foxnews.com/newt-gingrich ... st-problem

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Newt's Lobbyist Problem

When Newt Gingrich says he never lobbied, he's not telling the truth.

When he was a paid consultant for the drug-industry's lobby group, Gingrich worked hard to persuade Republican congressmen to vote for the Medicare drug subsidy that the industry favored. To deny Gingrich was a lobbyist requires an Obama-like word parsing over who is and who isn't a lobbyist.

Gingrich stated last week on Fox News, "I do no lobbying of any kind. I never have. A very important point to make. I have never done lobbying of any kind."

But the facts contradict that claim.

First of all, we know that Gingrich has been paid by drug companies and by the drug lobby, notably during the Medicare drug debate. A former employee of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, (the main industry lobby) told me Gingrich was being paid by someone in the industry at the time. A spokeswoman for Gingrich's health care consulting firm, Center for Health Transformation, told me that drug companies have been CHT clients. PhRMA confirmed in a statement that they had paid Gingrich. Bloomberg News cited sources from leading drug companies Astra-Zeneca and Pfizer saying that those companies had also hired Gingrich.

So we know he was paid consultant for drug makers. That's the first criterion for being a drug lobbyist.

Here's the second criterion: While some consultants simply provide strategy or advice, Gingrich directly contacted lawmakers in an effort to win their votes.



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23 Nov 2011, 5:54 pm

Thanks to the religious right Newt Gingrich and outrageous drug prices seniors have to choose between buying medicine or buying food.



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23 Nov 2011, 6:16 pm

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Thanks to the religious right Newt Gingrich and outrageous drug prices seniors have to choose between buying medicine or buying food.


As to the religious right's involvement in such dirty dealings that hurt our elderly citizens, I think that alone answers the initial question of this thread.

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23 Nov 2011, 6:35 pm

I guess God wants those drug companies to be rich.



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23 Nov 2011, 6:53 pm

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Thanks to the religious right Newt Gingrich and outrageous drug prices seniors have to choose between buying medicine or buying food.


As to the religious right's involvement in such dirty dealings that hurt our elderly citizens, I think that alone answers the initial question of this thread.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Research to create life saving medications cost a lot of money, I'm sorry if you want things to be cheap, but the Drug companies have to have the money to pay for the research into new medications.



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23 Nov 2011, 7:14 pm

Jesus never charged anyone for healing.



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23 Nov 2011, 7:35 pm

pandabear wrote:
Even Fox Noise characterizes Newt Gingrich as a liar

http://nation.foxnews.com/newt-gingrich ... st-problem

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Newt's Lobbyist Problem

When Newt Gingrich says he never lobbied, he's not telling the truth.

When he was a paid consultant for the drug-industry's lobby group, Gingrich worked hard to persuade Republican congressmen to vote for the Medicare drug subsidy that the industry favored. To deny Gingrich was a lobbyist requires an Obama-like word parsing over who is and who isn't a lobbyist.

Gingrich stated last week on Fox News, "I do no lobbying of any kind. I never have. A very important point to make. I have never done lobbying of any kind."

But the facts contradict that claim.

First of all, we know that Gingrich has been paid by drug companies and by the drug lobby, notably during the Medicare drug debate. A former employee of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, (the main industry lobby) told me Gingrich was being paid by someone in the industry at the time. A spokeswoman for Gingrich's health care consulting firm, Center for Health Transformation, told me that drug companies have been CHT clients. PhRMA confirmed in a statement that they had paid Gingrich. Bloomberg News cited sources from leading drug companies Astra-Zeneca and Pfizer saying that those companies had also hired Gingrich.

So we know he was paid consultant for drug makers. That's the first criterion for being a drug lobbyist.

Here's the second criterion: While some consultants simply provide strategy or advice, Gingrich directly contacted lawmakers in an effort to win their votes.


The article was written by someone from Washington Examiner, Fox Nation is an opinion blog area.



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23 Nov 2011, 7:43 pm

pandabear wrote:
Jesus never charged anyone for healing.


Not so. He expected to be believed. Faith is the coin of his realm.

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