06 Jun 2012, 9:56 am
marshall wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
marshall wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Marshall wrote:
Sounds like the rantings of thems that aint have.
Do you realize that this is a discussion forum and a discussion forum only and we are not deciding the fate of nations here?
Sometimes I really wonder............
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TO ALL PROPONENTS OF RIGHT-WING LIBERTARIANISM AND MARKET FUNDAMENTALISTS. YOU ARE NOT "RATIONAL". YOU ARE NOT "OBJECTIVE". YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENT FROM MARXISTS. YOU ARE SIMPLY PONTIFICATING OVER A BUNCH OF RIGID ABSOLUTIST MORALISTIC BS THAT DOES NOT FUNCTION IN THE REAL WORLD. NOT ONLY THAT, THE MORALISTIC BS OF MARKET FUNDAMENTALISTS IS THAT OF AN OBNOXIOUS THREE YEAR OLD SCREECHING OVER "HIS" TOYS IN THE SANDBOX. MINE!! ! MINE!! ! MINE!! !
Sounds like the rantings of thems that aint have.
Do you realize that this is a discussion forum and a discussion forum only and we are not deciding the fate of nations here?
Sometimes I really wonder............
I seriously doubt that Marshall is motivated by any so called class envy conservatives are fond of accusing those without of feeling. That charge of class warfare is leveled by the right when they don't want to address social inequities and greed by the haves.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I'm talking about how idiotic the broken record "taxation is theft" is. It's not an argument.
I'd also say it's not envy people feel, but fear. Fear that our country is going to go into decline due to the irrational and/or outright deceitful actions of the far-right. Things like claiming they are for balancing budgets while simultaneously pledging to cut taxes for the wealthy which will end up lowering revenue. It borders on absurdity.
Oh, I know that you were talking about the "taxation is theft" mantra, but Raptor's comment of, "Sounds like the rantings of thems that aint have," was an accusation that you were envious of those who have.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
People who are too dense to engage in real discussion must resort to personal accusations. Calling people who are legitimately fearful for their future "envious" is just a form of trolling.
I disagree so I must therefore be a "troll".
Doesn't matter that we on the right are concerned about the country falling financially on its ass you just want to spend more on social programs.
06 Jun 2012, 10:01 am
Raptor wrote:
I disagree so I must therefore be a "troll".
Doesn't matter that we on the right are concerned about the country falling financially on its ass you just want to spend more on social programs.
Doesn't matter that we on the right are concerned about the country falling financially on its ass you just want to spend more on social programs.
Yes because 30 years of libertarian fetishes and voodoo economics have been so succesful compared to what came before. America sucked in the postwar years and now its just dandy. Results based approach, right?
06 Jun 2012, 10:03 am
06 Jun 2012, 10:09 am
06 Jun 2012, 10:27 am
edgewaters wrote:
Raptor wrote:
I disagree so I must therefore be a "troll".
Doesn't matter that we on the right are concerned about the country falling financially on its ass you just want to spend more on social programs.
Doesn't matter that we on the right are concerned about the country falling financially on its ass you just want to spend more on social programs.
Yes because 30 years of libertarian fetishes and voodoo economics have been so succesful compared to what came before. America sucked in the postwar years and now its just dandy. Results based approach, right?
Do i detect sarcasm?
06 Jun 2012, 10:30 am
06 Jun 2012, 10:52 am
marshall wrote:
Do you realize how nauseating it is to hear you constantly bitching about having to pay taxes day after day? Do you even know what real suffering is? Do you know what it is to be a real victim? 
If you want to keep whining about how "nasty" and "unfair" paying taxes is then you have absolutely no grounds to criticize lefties who would say the same about private owners of capital using the desperation of workers to exploit profit from their labor.
This.
If you want to keep whining about how "nasty" and "unfair" paying taxes is then you have absolutely no grounds to criticize lefties who would say the same about private owners of capital using the desperation of workers to exploit profit from their labor.
The characterization of taxes as evil is merely an attempt to rationalize self-absorbed greed. The left does not, however much the media twists it, want to raise taxes on the working class, but only on the wealthy elite who have much more than they reasonably need and won't even be harmed by higher taxes. If anyone's worse problem is the taxes they need to pay on their wealth, they truly are very lucky.
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06 Jun 2012, 10:58 am
SpiritBlooms wrote:
marshall wrote:
Do you realize how nauseating it is to hear you constantly bitching about having to pay taxes day after day? Do you even know what real suffering is? Do you know what it is to be a real victim?
If you want to keep whining about how "nasty" and "unfair" paying taxes is then you have absolutely no grounds to criticize lefties who would say the same about private owners of capital using the desperation of workers to exploit profit from their labor.
This. If you want to keep whining about how "nasty" and "unfair" paying taxes is then you have absolutely no grounds to criticize lefties who would say the same about private owners of capital using the desperation of workers to exploit profit from their labor.
The characterization of taxes as evil is merely an attempt to rationalize self-absorbed greed. T.
Self absorbed Greed? God Himself only required a ten percent tax. The Egyptian Pharoes levied a 20 percent tax. In Feudal Europe the serfs only had to pay 25 percent of their produce. In the U.S. the middle class is taxed upwards of 35 percent when you figure in state taxes and fees..
In the old days, Moses said to the Israelites mount up upon your asses and load up your camels. We are going to the promised land. In the days of FDR he said to the workers, sit on your asses and light up your Camels. This is the promised land.
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06 Jun 2012, 10:58 am
SpiritBlooms wrote:
marshall wrote:
Do you realize how nauseating it is to hear you constantly bitching about having to pay taxes day after day? Do you even know what real suffering is? Do you know what it is to be a real victim?
If you want to keep whining about how "nasty" and "unfair" paying taxes is then you have absolutely no grounds to criticize lefties who would say the same about private owners of capital using the desperation of workers to exploit profit from their labor.
This. If you want to keep whining about how "nasty" and "unfair" paying taxes is then you have absolutely no grounds to criticize lefties who would say the same about private owners of capital using the desperation of workers to exploit profit from their labor.
The characterization of taxes as evil is merely an attempt to rationalize self-absorbed greed. The left does not, however much the media twists it, want to raise taxes on the working class, but only on the wealthy elite who have much more than they reasonably need and won't even be harmed by higher taxes. If anyone's worse problem is the taxes they need to pay on their wealth, they truly are very lucky.
I have to agree.
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06 Jun 2012, 11:00 am
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i do not like that the forests are so messy.
there are sticks and leaves and stuff on the ground everywhere in the forests.
it is such a mess that i will wait until summer to reconsider my appraisal.
there are sticks and leaves and stuff on the ground everywhere in the forests.
it is such a mess that i will wait until summer to reconsider my appraisal.
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06 Jun 2012, 11:06 am
ruveyn wrote:
SpiritBlooms wrote:
marshall wrote:
Do you realize how nauseating it is to hear you constantly bitching about having to pay taxes day after day? Do you even know what real suffering is? Do you know what it is to be a real victim?
If you want to keep whining about how "nasty" and "unfair" paying taxes is then you have absolutely no grounds to criticize lefties who would say the same about private owners of capital using the desperation of workers to exploit profit from their labor.
This. If you want to keep whining about how "nasty" and "unfair" paying taxes is then you have absolutely no grounds to criticize lefties who would say the same about private owners of capital using the desperation of workers to exploit profit from their labor.
The characterization of taxes as evil is merely an attempt to rationalize self-absorbed greed. T.
Self absorbed Greed? God Himself only required a ten percent tax. The Egyptian Pharoes levied a 20 percent tax. In Feudal Europe the serfs only had to pay 25 percent of their produce. In the U.S. the middle class is taxed upwards of 35 percent when you figure in state taxes and fees..
In the old days, Moses said to the Israelites mount up upon your asses and load up your camels. We are going to the promised land. In the days of FDR he said to the workers, sit on your asses and light up your Camels. This is the promised land.
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Well than perhaps you'd like taxes lowered on the middle class? I find it curious when people of the middle class feel they are being taxed too much but they aren't angry that the super wealthy get tax breaks and can easily get out of paying taxes or angry at the government who has it set at that percentage...Oh no they are angry at those no good poor and/or disabled people who benefit from the social safety network for stealing 'their' money and selfishly using it on their lazy asses. Who's the real enemy here? Maybe its best to find who it is trying to divide people over petty things for their own benefit.
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06 Jun 2012, 11:07 am
ruveyn wrote:
SpiritBlooms wrote:
marshall wrote:
Do you realize how nauseating it is to hear you constantly bitching about having to pay taxes day after day? Do you even know what real suffering is? Do you know what it is to be a real victim?
If you want to keep whining about how "nasty" and "unfair" paying taxes is then you have absolutely no grounds to criticize lefties who would say the same about private owners of capital using the desperation of workers to exploit profit from their labor.
This. If you want to keep whining about how "nasty" and "unfair" paying taxes is then you have absolutely no grounds to criticize lefties who would say the same about private owners of capital using the desperation of workers to exploit profit from their labor.
The characterization of taxes as evil is merely an attempt to rationalize self-absorbed greed. T.
Self absorbed Greed? God Himself only required a ten percent tax. The Egyptian Pharoes levied a 20 percent tax. In Feudal Europe the serfs only had to pay 25 percent of their produce. In the U.S. the middle class is taxed upwards of 35 percent when you figure in state taxes and fees..
In the old days, Moses said to the Israelites mount up upon your asses and load up your camels. We are going to the promised land. In the days of FDR he said to the workers, sit on your asses and light up your Camels. This is the promised land.
God? Taxes? Are you nuts? God doesn't need any money. The Bible was written by people. Churches request tithing, not God. Has God himself ever required money from you, in person? This is the most outlandish argument I've seen yet against taxes. You've outdone yourself.
06 Jun 2012, 11:11 am
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