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02 Dec 2012, 11:59 am

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http://jezebel.com/men-who-visit-prostitutes/


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...But perhaps the most disturbing thing about the survey is that several men can think of prostitution as an alternative to rape. One man said, "A desperate man who wants sex so bad, he needs sex to be relieved. He might rape." Another added, "Sometimes you might rape someone: you can go to a prostitute instead." Whether or not these men are actually sublimating their violent impulses into paid sex, their conception that enough pent-up sexual desire will automatically lead to rape is a terrifying one....


Wouldn't the availability of prostitutes, then, be good for women, in terms of reducing rapes?



No, of course not. Because nobody rapes with the sex in mind whatsoever... Which is why they have sex with the rape victims instead of just tying them up and beating them or something.

"the conception that enough pent-up sexual desire will "automatically" lead to rape is a terrifying one."

Who said it's automatic, and why the hell is that frightening? I never would or could rape somebody, but there was a time before I lost my virginity that I felt rather desperate. And at that time, I remember having thoughts along the lines of "Jesus christ, I hope someone shows interest in me, I may never get laid without raping somebody."

Some people have stronger sexual desires than others. And of course, now I know that having sex with someone you don't care about is nothing special, so I can only imagine how not special it must be when the other person doesn't want it. Having power over someone never even crossed my mind; My thoughts were about love, affection, sex, and desperation.



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02 Dec 2012, 12:37 pm

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If they are going for "Power Play", then so what?


They're not very nice people or their sexuality just isn't compatible with a liberated woman's. Men like that create lesbian separatism.

Every time you post on here, I feel a bit more down on heterosexuality.



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02 Dec 2012, 12:44 pm

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I have a feeling women would be in an uproar if all of a sudden, all the men started assuming every woman wanted to marry him only to take him for all he's worth and running away from them,


Having a prenupt just in case sounds like a good idea to me, same way I would make sure to be in a public place if I was meeting someone I don't know that well. It's not about judging everyone on the basis of a few; it's about being aware of the risks before jumping into something.



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02 Dec 2012, 12:59 pm

Shall we review some of the basic principles?

1. Men have penises.

2. Most men really like to play with their penises.

3. A lot of men who are heterosexual would like a Hot Young Blossom (HYB) to participate, at some level, in the experience.

4. Everyone knows this.

5. The demand for HYBs outstrips supply.

6. Some women say "Eek! Penises! Keep that thing away from me!"

7. HYBs have a huge opportunity to cash in, but limited time.

8. Some HYBs have no problem with providing a service at a price, and many men are willing to pay the price.



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02 Dec 2012, 1:08 pm

^ Elderly prostitutes are popular in some places, for example in Mexico City.

Also, a lot of those HYBs aren't cashing in; their pimp is. A lot of johns don't care about that because they don't see prostitutes as 'real women'. Honestly, if it was always completely the choice of the woman and men who used them treated them like human beings, I wouldn't mind, but the demand for exploitation exists because there are a lot of misogynists out there who want it to.

You don't understand that not for every men is it simply about getting sex from hot women. Some men actually hate women and even the ones who don't, don't see them as fully human in the same sense that they are.

I really regret being born female when I read threads like this.



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02 Dec 2012, 1:27 pm

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^ Elderly prostitutes are popular in some places, for example in Mexico City.

Well, good for them.

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Also, a lot of those HYBs aren't cashing in; their pimp is.

That's an unfortunate situation.

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A lot of johns don't care about that because they don't see prostitutes as 'real women'.

Of course they're real women. You might get a woman to cut your hair. She is just as real as the HYB who administers your orgasm.

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Honestly, if it was always completely the choice of the woman and men who used them treated them like human beings, I wouldn't mind, but the demand for exploitation exists because there are a lot of misogynists out there who want it to.

A highly skilled executive ejaculatory administrator may soften a misogynist's misogyny.

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You don't understand that not for every men is it simply about getting sex from hot women.

I don't know what every man's motivation might be, but I suspect the feminist perspective to be tainted by a bit of hyperbole.

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Some men actually hate women and even the ones who don't, don't see them as fully human in the same sense that they are.

Why do they hate women?

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I really regret being born female when I read threads like this.

There's no point in regretting the way you were born.

And, what do you want the misogynists and woman-haters to do? Wouldn't it be better for everyone if such men stuck to satisfying their appetites with executive ejaculatory assistants, rather than pursuing relationships with women? Who wants to marry a man who hates women?



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02 Dec 2012, 1:32 pm

I don't think it does soften their misogyny. I don't think anything can.

I think they hate women because they expect things from them they don't automatically get.

I'm not happy about prostitutes being mistreated by clientele, so no, I wouldn't be happy if abusive men 'stuck' to them. I'd only be happy if the men were not misogynistic in the first place. And watered-down versions of those attitudes exist in men who don't exactly hate women, but don't fully respect them, either.

I don't think there is anything that can be done, that's why I lean towards separatism. I would totally be a separatist if I didn't have my boyfriend.



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02 Dec 2012, 1:41 pm

If I was a pimp I would be a good pimp and take good care of my workers I would give them benefits like healthcare dental plans etc *also protection they would also be escorted by bodyguards with guns and wait outside the hotel rooms until the job is finished further insuring the client doesnt try to pull a fast one or beat my workers!*They would also be provided with birth control and condoms! Furthermore they would be taught martial arts and also carry weapons with them to defend themselves if clients decide to be rough or violent with them. 8)


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02 Dec 2012, 3:24 pm

Don't lots of women like to go in for spa treatments, where they are pampered, massaged, pedicured, manicured, and whatever else goes on in there?

Think of the encounter with the executive ejaculatory administrator as a spa treatment for men, where our penises receive very special attention.



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02 Dec 2012, 4:26 pm

puddingmouse wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
If they are going for "Power Play", then so what?


They're not very nice people or their sexuality just isn't compatible with a liberated woman's. Men like that create lesbian separatism.

Every time you post on here, I feel a bit more down on heterosexuality.

QFT.

I'm really grateful to the feminist men who occasionally post, because I'm about a 0 on the kinsey scale and can't choose a different option.



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02 Dec 2012, 4:33 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
Shall we review some of the basic principles?
1. Men have penises.
2. Most men really like to play with their penises.
3. A lot of men who are heterosexual would like a Hot Young Blossom (HYB) to participate, at some level, in the experience.
4. Everyone knows this.
5. The demand for HYBs outstrips supply.
6. Some women say "Eek! Penises! Keep that thing away from me!"
7. HYBs have a huge opportunity to cash in, but limited time.
8. Some HYBs have no problem with providing a service at a price, and many men are willing to pay the price.

Thankfully, you don't speak for all "men" any more than you speak for all "women."
A lot of men out there - even heterosexual men - would rather masturbate than use a prostitute, and don't need degrading porn to do so. (edit: not all porn is degrading, but most of the professional stuff is).
If all prostitutes were women who entered the profession with open eyes, and who had other options but chose prostitution, and who were in control of their own finances and were not trafficked, then sure: less of a problem (there's still the issue of men asking prostitutes to do things which 'unprofessional' women will not, because it's degrading, uncomfortable, or dangerous, and then being unable to have relationships with non-professional women). Unfortunately, it's not the case that most prostitutes enter the field as clear-eyed adults with other options.



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02 Dec 2012, 4:38 pm

Arrant Parian, first you say:

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Of course they're real women. You might get a woman to cut your hair. She is just as real as the HYB who administers your orgasm.

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And, what do you want the misogynists and woman-haters to do? Wouldn't it be better for everyone if such men stuck to satisfying their appetites with executive ejaculatory assistants, rather than pursuing relationships with women? Who wants to marry a man who hates women?

You say that misogynists have a choice between prostitutes and women, ie, prostitutes are not women.



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02 Dec 2012, 5:04 pm

LKL wrote:
Arrant Parian, first you say:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Of course they're real women. You might get a woman to cut your hair. She is just as real as the HYB who administers your orgasm.

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And, what do you want the misogynists and woman-haters to do? Wouldn't it be better for everyone if such men stuck to satisfying their appetites with executive ejaculatory assistants, rather than pursuing relationships with women? Who wants to marry a man who hates women?

You say that misogynists have a choice between prostitutes and women, ie, prostitutes are not women.


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02 Dec 2012, 6:58 pm

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I don't think it does soften their misogyny. I don't think anything can.

I think they hate women because they expect things from them they don't automatically get.

I'm not happy about prostitutes being mistreated by clientele, so no, I wouldn't be happy if abusive men 'stuck' to them. I'd only be happy if the men were not misogynistic in the first place. And watered-down versions of those attitudes exist in men who don't exactly hate women, but don't fully respect them, either.

I don't think there is anything that can be done, that's why I lean towards separatism. I would totally be a separatist if I didn't have my boyfriend.


There are people who really shouldn't marry. People with Narcissistic Personality Disorders, for example. Such people often do marry, but then divorce shortly thereafter.

It isn't necessarily "misogyny" per se: they just have a personality disorder that makes them unsufferable.

No-one should have to suffer through a lifelong relationship with such a person. However, such people should be able to get the occasional full-service male spa treatment.



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02 Dec 2012, 7:07 pm

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Thankfully, you don't speak for all "men" any more than you speak for all "women."

I don't claim to.

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A lot of men out there - even heterosexual men - would rather masturbate than use a prostitute, and don't need degrading porn to do so.

Is that the current feminist standard? Men are supposed to masturbate, but not use pornography? That's ridiculous!


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If all prostitutes were women who entered the profession with open eyes, and who had other options but chose prostitution, and who were in control of their own finances and were not trafficked, then sure: less of a problem (there's still the issue of men asking prostitutes to do things which 'unprofessional' women will not, because it's degrading, uncomfortable, or dangerous, and then being unable to have relationships with non-professional women). Unfortunately, it's not the case that most prostitutes enter the field as clear-eyed adults with other options.

Thankfully, you don't speak for all "executive ejaculatory assistants" any more than you speak for all "porn stars."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/2 ... 92948.html

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..The stereotype that female porn stars are "damaged goods" who have experienced sexual abuse as a child is inaccurate, according to a new study.

In fact, porn actresses have higher levels of self-esteem, positive feelings, social support, sexual satisfaction and spirituality, according to the study "Pornography Actresses: An Assessment of the Damaged Goods Hypothesis."

However, stereotypes regarding the actors' current sexuality are true, according to the study, which compared the self-reports of 177 porn actresses and was published in the Journal of Sex Research. The study found that porn actresses were more likely to identify as bisexual, have had sex at an early age, had more sexual partners, were more concerned about contracting STD's and enjoyed sex more than the matched sample....



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02 Dec 2012, 7:37 pm

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Men are supposed to masturbate, but not use pornography? That's ridiculous!


They don't have imaginations?


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