why do people bash islam but love christianity??

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There is, its called Turkey.

Speaking as someone from Northern Ireland, it makes me laugh and shudder in equal measure when people talk about Christianity being dulled down or less criminalistic. In my lifetime, and not a lot before it, utterly abominable deeds have been done in my country in the name of lutherianism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shankill_Butchers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greysteel_massacre

Turkey is quasi-fascist and authoritarian.

You would not want to spend any time in a Turkish prison.

ruveyn

Since I'm a Lutheran, so I think I'm qualified to say that while Lutherans are Protestants, not all Protestants are Lutherans. Since when did Lutherans have that kind of power in Presbyterian controlled North Ireland?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Turkey has never been a proper Western-style liberal democracy. It has always been a repressive and authoritarian state that has used the military to keep the secular ideals afloat. These ideals have been mostly crushed by the Islamist premiership of Erdogan and the like.



Northern Ireland's conflict is a political, ethnic and constitutional matter. Religion is one of the markers of communal identity, but there do exist Catholic unionists (plenty, in fact) and Protestant nationalists.

Or are you going to try to say that all-Irelandism has no sectarian adherents and Unionism is inevitably solely motivated by militant Protestantism?

You will find that many Protestants and Catholics are now non-religious (even a fair amount of the Orange are non-religious), but it's not about religion. It is about tribalism, ethnicity, nationality and communalism.

Yes, in fact most Christians, especially outside North American and Australia, are dumbfounded by the Christian far right.

No, the liberal heathen typically paints Christianity with a broad brush.

You might have this guy as your warden:



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFH68BRV8hc[/youtube]

That is because we are secular.

When Ḯśļāṃ does the same will be a good day.

I was right! You did confuse me with someone else in your conspiracy theory. Two gold stars for me.

By no means, but 'all-Irelandism' as you refer to it has traditionally been firmly rooted along the lines of national identity and the idea that the British presence on the Island of Ireland, regardless of how the individual views it, is an unjustified one. Religion was so removed from republicanism, that it can even claim to have had several Irish protestant advocates including Wolfe Tone, Henry Grattan, Charles Stewart Parnell, among others. How many Irish Catholic advocates can Ulster Unionism claim?

Ulster Loyalism, on the other hand, is deeply rooted in religiosity, or more specifically the idea of religious divide (most loyalists wouldn't be found at church in a month of Sundays). Whereas the IRA had a code of, or at least leaned itself towards attacking legitimate military targets specifically, Loyalist killings were more often than not about 'killing taigs for the sake of killing taigs'. In that respect the two are very different

Civillian deaths caused by the IRA were usually the case during bombings, when the IRA were trying to cripple the Northern Irish economy by targeting commerce in Belfast. In the IRA's mind, the wealth creating apparatus of the British administration was a legitimate target. What they were'nt doing however, unlike their loyalist adversaries, was intentionally targeting civillians from the 'other side'. The thing is, the waters became very muddied during the troubles, when the tit for tat killings began. This you need to keep in the context.

I already got "crucified" by a couple of lunatics and that was more than enough religion flavoured torture as far as I'm concerned. If I was religious I would be pretty convinced that these nutcases are going to end up in hell!

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wut?

Hoo?

Catholicism gets bashed nearly as much as Islam. People think that all priests are pedophile homo perverts, nuns have lesbian orgies or are mean-spirited, heartless old bats because they've had no sex, we're all superstitious, science-hating sheeple who oppress women by keeping them barefoot and pregnant and that they worship Mary as a goddess and think that if the Pope says it's raining, you'd better get your umbrella.

And nobody seems to be willing to listen to the truth because it's much more fun to tear down than to build up.

Here is a complete list of countries that have any aspect of sharia as part of national law:
1. Indonesia (Flogging, Caning; Sharia applied strictly in Aceh province)
2. Turkey (Restrictions on alcohol)
3. Brunei (Caning, Alcohol is illegal)
4. Jordan (2 years or less for honour killings)
5. Eritrea (Girls as young as 8 can be married, spousal rape is not recognized)
6. Syria (1 year or less for honour killings)
7. Djibouti (Sharia law regarding divorce)
8. Chechnya (Modest dress enforced, Alcohol and gambling suppressed by local authorities)
9. Niger (girls can be married off before they reach puberty)
10. Nigeria (Sharia is enforced in the northern states)
11. Kenya (Ad Hoc Sharia enforced in the east near the border with Somalia)
12. Gambia (Sharia courts decide all family matters, including for non-Muslims)
13. Qatar (public consumption is illegal during Ramadan, Alcohol heavily restricted, blood money acceptable punishment for murder, "kafala" law which is also shared by all Gulf states but Bahrain is technically slavery)
14. Uganda (Kadhi Courts overseeing family and civil matters)

Now compare that to all of the nations that have aspects of Christianity is their national laws (this includes every single country that has legality based on English law). Even here in America we have a host of laws that have Christian origin. It is even still legal in many places of this country to refuse to hire homosexuals, employ people who use birth control, and require all of their franchises to be closed on Sundays to preserve the sanctity of the Sabbath.

I have known many practising Muslims (as well as many who are muslim by birth only), and have yet to meet a single one who has the viewpoints that seem to be associated with them so often. If you think there aren't any violent Christian groups out there, then you need to do more research. There are some pretty prevalent "Christian" groups in America alone that are openly supportive of violence to any who do not share their views. There has been a rise in white supremacy groups, a resurgence of the KKK, and quite a few groups that promote the verbal abuse of every other religion (particularly Islam, which is why this is such a hot topic). This does not mean that a majority of Christians have these viewpoints by any means.

Trying to take the actions and beliefs of a select few hundred thousand people world-wide as a representative sample of a population of 1.5 billion Muslims (and yes, that's billion with a "B") is extremely prejudiced.

When was the last time a group of fanatical Christians hijacked a commercial air flight and crashed the plane into a tall building?

How many Christian I.E.D. s went off last year.

How many Christian "martyrs" slaughtered innocent folk killing themselves in the process?


If you come up with an answer greater than 0, you have made an error.

ruveyn