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23 Feb 2016, 4:54 am

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Barchan and her pals are full of it.

So are you.

Quite the contrary. You should be glad that somebody is backing you up. I would

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23 Feb 2016, 10:41 am

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Truth hurts wen presented with visual facts

so why don't you provide facts instead of youtube videos?

A picture says a thousand words

A pictures is worth a thousand words of BS when it comes to a debate, kid.

Besides, you just whine about Palestinian terrorism from the 20th century and forget the nearly 3000 Americans who died on 9/11 which was ultimately financed by Saudi Arabia. Iran is security threat to Israel, but is not an existential threat contrary to what neocons want us to believe.

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23 Feb 2016, 4:24 pm

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Quite the contrary. You should be glad that somebody is backing you up. I would

why would your argument need any help? is it not able to stand on it's own merits? doesn't really sound like this is the case if you're relying on cheerleading.

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23 Feb 2016, 5:00 pm

Fugu wrote:

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Quite the contrary. You should be glad that somebody is backing you up. I would

why would your argument need any help? is it not able to stand on it's own merits? doesn't really sound like this is the case if you're relying on cheerleading.

What argument?

He just accused people of being anti-Semites, pretty much.

The problem with labeling everyone and anti-Semite they don't agree with.

it is a totally weak argument that criticism is anti-Semitic. If that was an official state policy it would be a pretty undemocratic one...kind of reminds me of...oh wait. :lol:

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24 Feb 2016, 11:24 am

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^ Keep in mind that to some people, terrorism is okey-dokey as long as the terrorist's hearts are in the right place or it fits within the narrative they have been programed to blindly follow.

Ironically, a lot of rightwingers are like this which is why they supported the Bundy boys in Oregon(and previously Nevada): Cuz those guys are on their side.

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28 Feb 2016, 1:49 pm

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I didn't say the UN could, but that is because of the veto powers. Israel need to be stopped by force, but I imagine people are too frightened as they say they will nuke anyone who tries.

This is crazy talk. One it is not a realistic or sensible plan, second isrealis are not all the same.

There isrealis that are against the settlements. There are Israelis have been involved in grass roots effort, and have been working with their Palestinian counterparts. They are undermined by their leader but do exist.

If nation has been established for 70 year is isn't goign away. The Palestinians aren't going away. Any solution involves both of them.

What's crazy about it? It's not realistic no, because we don't live in a just world. All the leading politicians are the same, and around 95% of Israelis were in favor of the 2014 massacre in Gaza.

Yes, they do exist, and they can live in peace once the regime is taken down.

Nazi Germany were around for 12 years then went away. Soviet Russia was around for around the same time as Israel, and they went away.

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28 Feb 2016, 1:55 pm

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Israel funded and continues to fund Al-Qaida and its various splinter groups, and they are funding Al-Qaida operations in Syria even to this day.

Source?

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Israel is funding Daesh (I refuse to call them ISIS because they are neither Islamic nor a state).

Source?

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I think it's clear that, while much of Islamic extremism can be traced back to Saudi militance, most of it can be attributed to Israeli tampering.

And here I thought Islamic extremism could be traced back to Islam...

The US trained and funded Al-Qaeda to fight the Soviets, that's not even controversial. The US funded and support ISIS, knowing what they were. What does "extremism" mean?

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29 Feb 2016, 4:44 pm

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The US trained and funded Al-Qaeda to fight the Soviets, that's not even controversial. The US funded and support ISIS, knowing what they were. What does "extremism" mean?

They funded the Mujaheddin.

Al-Qaeda, what existed of it at the time, did very little fighting in that war at all, as it was nearly over by then. They have exaggerated their involvement in that war as propaganda. They weren't really of an operational capacity till later. There developed capability in the Sudan and under the Taliban.

The majority of fighting was done by Afghanis.

Nevertheless the US did fight many proxy war with USSR, of this was only one. I know a fair bit about Angola having lived there.

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01 Mar 2016, 5:28 am

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Israel funded and continues to fund Al-Qaida and its various splinter groups, and they are funding Al-Qaida operations in Syria even to this day. Israel is funding Daesh (I refuse to call them ISIS because they are neither Islamic nor a state)

And what is your source? your local Mosque?

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01 Mar 2016, 4:56 pm

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The US trained and funded Al-Qaeda to fight the Soviets, that's not even controversial. The US funded and support ISIS, knowing what they were. What does "extremism" mean?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/al-qaeda-t ... se-2/24738

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01 Mar 2016, 5:35 pm

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http://www.globalresearch.ca/al-qaeda-the-database-2/24738

Just becuase Robin Cook had a theory doesn't make it true, it is not different from you or I coming up with a theory. I respect him for being anti-war though.

Like many conspiracy theories, the alleged conspirator needlessly drops clues to the true believers.

Dababase in Arabic is qaeidat albayanat not Al-Qaeda.

The original name for Al-Qaeda was Al-Qaeda al-Askariya, which means "the military base".

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02 Mar 2016, 6:23 pm

It's different when that 'conspiracy theory' is coming from someone who was high up in the government. The US funded and supported ISIS, so why should we be surprised about this?

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02 Mar 2016, 7:21 pm

Not really because it is still anecdotal and based on a faulty translation of the Arabic.

Part of Al Qaeda's original aims was removal of westerners from the Arabian peninsular. They weren't all that focused on Palestine originally.

See the situation in SA is like this. The Wahhabis give the Shieks (House of Saud) their power as otherwise it would not stand up. This relationship was crucial in taking power from the Rashids who where supported by the Turks. However their relationship has been one of convenience from the beginning. Wahhabis need an emirate to fulfill their religious state and the Shieks need Wahhabis to maintain their lifestyle.

The Shieks are morally bankrupt, becuase they are massive hypocrites who are inhumane. Wahhabis are morally bankrupt becuase of of their totally backward an inhumane ideology.

Al Qaeda represents those that feel Wahhabism isn't being adhered to.

One of the reasons why it thrives is many nationalist (Nasserist/Baathist/pan-Arab) movements at the time (i.e. in Egypt) had their predecessors in prisons. When Afghan I started they decided to let them go thinking they would be killed our wouldn't come back.

There is a direct historical line between the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian Islamic Jihad and Al Qaeda.

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