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24 Feb 2021, 3:09 am

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Plus she was being too technical about it too by saying it was the neighbors that beat them in the street, not Nazis. People will be technical to be smart asses and to be jerks to trivialize issues. That is why people got upset.


Actually she was making up stuff. Almost all the physical beatings jewish civilians experienced prior to WWII was exacted firstly by brownshirts and then the SS in Germany.


This is my understanding, also.



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24 Feb 2021, 3:13 am

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Well according to the articles, she believes in a conspiracy theory. But does that make her a bad person? Lots of people believe in conspiracy theories, unless that's bad?


I think it mostly means they are misled, assuming the 'conspiracy theories' are indeed incorrect.
'Conspiracy Theories' can be accurate. 8)



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24 Feb 2021, 3:20 am

Has freedom really diminished that much? A few decades ago you could get fired from Disney for being gay. Chances are they probably would have tried to get rid of you if you tried to stand up LGBT rights and they would have said. I believe that there was an actor called Tommy Kirk who got fired for being outed as gay.

There are some interesting stories you can find certain queer staff had to try very hard to be able to do the sort of work they wanted to at Disney. A particular person was Howard Ashman, who was a victim to the Aids crisis before receiving awards for Beauty and the Beast, after there was that whole thing that was not really allowed to be talked about back then.


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24 Feb 2021, 6:11 am

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I'm hoping that eventually the pendulum will swing back to the center and we can achieve a more sane balance in the functioning of society.


I'm afraid its still on its way to the centre from the right (not the left). Racism is still an issue but I share your optimism that the pendulum will swing to the centre when racism is relegated to the same place that other stupid ideas like witches, flat earth and the sun revolving around the earth.



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24 Feb 2021, 10:45 am

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Has freedom really diminished that much? A few decades ago you could get fired from Disney for being gay. Chances are they probably would have tried to get rid of you if you tried to stand up LGBT rights and they would have said. I believe that there was an actor called Tommy Kirk who got fired for being outed as gay.

There are some interesting stories you can find certain queer staff had to try very hard to be able to do the sort of work they wanted to at Disney. A particular person was Howard Ashman, who was a victim to the Aids crisis before receiving awards for Beauty and the Beast, after there was that whole thing that was not really allowed to be talked about back then.


Maybe things haven't changed too much, but I feel that we haven't evolved. In the old days you would get fired for being gay, but now you get fired for making a bad political analogy. So instead of being more open minded about not firing people for their personal traits, we have just transferred, if that makes sense?



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24 Feb 2021, 12:00 pm

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Has freedom really diminished that much? A few decades ago you could get fired from Disney for being gay. Chances are they probably would have tried to get rid of you if you tried to stand up LGBT rights and they would have said. I believe that there was an actor called Tommy Kirk who got fired for being outed as gay.

There are some interesting stories you can find certain queer staff had to try very hard to be able to do the sort of work they wanted to at Disney. A particular person was Howard Ashman, who was a victim to the Aids crisis before receiving awards for Beauty and the Beast, after there was that whole thing that was not really allowed to be talked about back then.


Maybe things haven't changed too much, but I feel that we haven't evolved. In the old days you would get fired for being gay, but now you get fired for making a bad political analogy. So instead of being more open minded about not firing people for their personal traits, we have just transferred, if that makes sense?

It potentially effects more people now. Then was terrible but at least you know what would get you fired, being gay, being pro socialist etc. Now what is unacceptable is expanding every week, the meaning of words is changing last year a offbeat or harsh term, this it’s a racist term.


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24 Feb 2021, 12:40 pm

Yeah. But does it really effect more people are people choosing to let it effect them when it really doesn't so much, if that makes sense?

I feel their needs to be more iron clad as to what is acceptable and what is not. Actors should even have it in their contracts what they can say and not say, in order to know what the rules are, if this is the case. But I think Hollywood cannot let people have to much power.

Even in movies nowadays, movies are much more sensitive than what they use to be, back in the 90s for example. In the 90s, Hollywood wouldn't aim to offend but they would draw a line and say okay if are going to be offended by everything, than you're just being wussies. But now they will not draw that line anymore, if that makes sense?



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24 Feb 2021, 5:23 pm

ironpony wrote:
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Has freedom really diminished that much? A few decades ago you could get fired from Disney for being gay. Chances are they probably would have tried to get rid of you if you tried to stand up LGBT rights and they would have said. I believe that there was an actor called Tommy Kirk who got fired for being outed as gay.

There are some interesting stories you can find certain queer staff had to try very hard to be able to do the sort of work they wanted to at Disney. A particular person was Howard Ashman, who was a victim to the Aids crisis before receiving awards for Beauty and the Beast, after there was that whole thing that was not really allowed to be talked about back then.


Maybe things haven't changed too much, but I feel that we haven't evolved. In the old days you would get fired for being gay, but now you get fired for making a bad political analogy. So instead of being more open minded about not firing people for their personal traits, we have just transferred, if that makes sense?


Once again, life is not a binary.

In some ways, modern life is better.
In some ways, it is worse. 8)



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24 Feb 2021, 5:30 pm

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Yeah. But does it really effect more people are people choosing to let it effect them when it really doesn't so much, if that makes sense?

I feel their needs to be more iron clad as to what is acceptable and what is not. Actors should even have it in their contracts what they can say and not say, in order to know what the rules are, if this is the case. But I think Hollywood cannot let people have to much power.

Even in movies nowadays, movies are much more sensitive than what they use to be, back in the 90s for example. In the 90s, Hollywood wouldn't aim to offend but they would draw a line and say okay if are going to be offended by everything, than you're just being wussies. But now they will not draw that line anymore, if that makes sense?


I am not saying it is a 'binary', but the 'rule of thumb' is if you post comments favouring the position of the 'progressive' side of politics, you will be fine.
If you have conservative sympathies and post them, you only have yourself to blame if you lose your job, in these politically correct days.

That is simply the reality of the situation. :shrug:

Thankfully, I am in early retirement and don't have a job to lose. 8)



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24 Feb 2021, 5:46 pm

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Thankfully, I am in early retirement and don't have a job to lose. 8)


It's really not rocket science not to say anything rude to co-workers who are disabled, trans, gay, black or female.
Not sure why right wingers have so much trouble with using a filter?



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24 Feb 2021, 7:18 pm

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Yeah. But does it really effect more people are people choosing to let it effect them when it really doesn't so much, if that makes sense?

I feel their needs to be more iron clad as to what is acceptable and what is not. Actors should even have it in their contracts what they can say and not say, in order to know what the rules are, if this is the case. But I think Hollywood cannot let people have to much power.

Even in movies nowadays, movies are much more sensitive than what they use to be, back in the 90s for example. In the 90s, Hollywood wouldn't aim to offend but they would draw a line and say okay if are going to be offended by everything, than you're just being wussies. But now they will not draw that line anymore, if that makes sense?


I am not saying it is a 'binary', but the 'rule of thumb' is if you post comments favouring the position of the 'progressive' side of politics, you will be fine.
If you have conservative sympathies and post them, you only have yourself to blame if you lose your job, in these politically correct days.

That is simply the reality of the situation. :shrug:

Thankfully, I am in early retirement and don't have a job to lose. 8)


Well it just seems that I thought that one of the rules, in America is that a boss doesn't have to agree with their employees political views. To me it's like firing someone based on choice of religion or something along those lines. And it's ironic how they call it politically correct, because I find it highly politically incorrect to be fired based on what you believe, within politics, religion, philoshophy, etc.

So when did America become so backwards on those kinds of regulations I wonder. Are there any laws to protect agains this, or are you allowed to hire and fire people based on politics, religion, race, etc, and that's the American way now?



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24 Feb 2021, 8:55 pm

Kind of sounds like "political view" is being used to cover up sh***y opinions shared publicly like conspiracy theories and other things. Could people say that anything is just their politics?


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24 Feb 2021, 9:24 pm

Well I guess I feel people still have their rights to their opinions even if s%^tty ones. For example I have a friend who believes that 9/11 was an inside job, and he doesn't get fired from his job over it.



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24 Feb 2021, 9:28 pm

People rarely, almost never, get fired from their jobs because of their political opinions.

Unless they are of the Nazi-type variety, or something equally radically left-wing.



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24 Feb 2021, 9:30 pm

Bradleigh wrote:
Kind of sounds like "political view" is being used to cover up sh***y opinions shared publicly like conspiracy theories and other things. Could people say that anything is just their politics?


You had a premier who ruled Queensland for 30 years by the name of Joe Bjelke Peterson who claimed his ideas of sterilising aboriginal people or allowing them to die of HIV was part of his political beliefs. Plenty of Queenslanders shared his beliefs because they voted him back into office multiple times.



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24 Feb 2021, 9:33 pm

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People rarely, almost never, get fired from their jobs because of their political opinions.

Unless they are of the Nazi-type variety, or something equally radically left-wing.


Oh okay. That's why I felt this Carano thing felt so out of hand, because she was fired for a political opinion, which is just very Un-American to me, but it seems like it's becoming more acceptable perhaps.