America is NOT a Racist Country.

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27 May 2021, 11:01 am

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So What is your take on Tim Scott?

I'm not sure I have one.

Is he supposed to be proof that racism isn't an issue among the populist right base? I don't believe the existence of right-leaning people who don't hold those biases disproves the idea that many do; likewise the existence of PoC who hold right-leaning views doesn't prove that racism isn't an issue on the right.

Do Milo and Dave Rubin prove homophobia isn't an issue on the right?

Homophobia is a fake made up term. Disapproval does not equal a "Phobia".
I could just as easily call Feminists "Androphobic"
Demonizing and gas lighting those who disagree with you only serves to curtail dialog and debate.
Likewise saying that white persons who don't engage in self hatred are "White Supremacists" is equally unseemly.

Needless hostility towards queer people is vile no matter what the label for it, even if homophobes whine about the semantics of the term used to describe it.

You could call feminists 'androphobic' but there's already a term for misandry and most feminists aren't misandrists.

Calling bigotry bigotry isn't gaslighting anyone but pretending that bigotry doesn't exist because it doesn't personally impact you is.

Rejecting white supremacy isn't a matter of self-hatred no matter how many times you repeat that common WN canard.

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27 May 2021, 11:29 am

funeralxempire wrote:

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Mr Reynholm wrote:

So What is your take on Tim Scott?

I don't care what color, religion, race, ethnicity or sexual preference a person has. I believe it treating everyone with dignity, kindness and respect. Radical Idea huh?
I don't have to pretend I'm championing some made up category of helpless person. Treat every as a human being as a person made in the image of God.

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27 May 2021, 11:31 am

This isn't the first time you've tried to claim that recognizing that bigotry exists somehow makes the targets of that bigotry helpless.

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27 May 2021, 11:47 am

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This isn't the first time you've tried to claim that recognizing that bigotry exists somehow makes the targets of that bigotry helpless.

Yes bigotry exists. It has since humanity has existed. That doesn't make anyone a racists just because You say so. It also doesn't make America a racist country.

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27 May 2021, 11:49 am

We need to stage an intervention for Tim Scott.
A munch of white guys on social media have determined that; YOU ARE OPPRESSED!
Like and episode of Maury Povich.
And yes I'm being facetious before anyone blows a gasket.

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27 May 2021, 11:50 am

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This isn't the first time you've tried to claim that recognizing that bigotry exists somehow makes the targets of that bigotry helpless.

Yes bigotry exists. It has since humanity has existed. That doesn't make anyone a racists just because You say so. It also doesn't make America a racist country.

It's got nothing to do with me and everything to do with if they fit the definition.

Ignoring America's history doesn't make it go away.

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27 May 2021, 12:51 pm

funeralxempire wrote:

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funeralxempire wrote:

This isn't the first time you've tried to claim that recognizing that bigotry exists somehow makes the targets of that bigotry helpless.

Yes bigotry exists. It has since humanity has existed. That doesn't make anyone a racists just because You say so. It also doesn't make America a racist country.

It's got nothing to do with me and everything to do with if they fit the definition.

Ignoring America's history doesn't make it go away.

It isn't ignoring it. Accept it and move on. You can't change the past but you can decide what kind of person You are. The only person you can change is you. The Wokier than thou types think they can bully people into being who they want them to be. These are the real racists.

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27 May 2021, 3:22 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

Mr Reynholm wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

This isn't the first time you've tried to claim that recognizing that bigotry exists somehow makes the targets of that bigotry helpless.

Yes bigotry exists. It has since humanity has existed. That doesn't make anyone a racists just because You say so. It also doesn't make America a racist country.

It's got nothing to do with me and everything to do with if they fit the definition.

Ignoring America's history doesn't make it go away.

No one's trying to change the past, that's a dishonest distraction. Conservatives often try to ignore the worst parts of history and then complain that discussing history beyond the politically correct official version is somehow trying to change history. No, the goal is just to discuss history accurately.

No one's being bullied just because you keep insisting your inability to shut down discussions you don't like is bullying, that's another dishonest distraction. Having to encounter opinions you disagree with and perspectives that invalidate your own because you've chosen to ignore issues that are actually important to others isn't bullying.

Society is made-up of individuals, individuals can exert pressure on society and challenge their society to do better. You might not share their goal but insisting change is impossible beyond the individual scale sounds more like something you'd like to convince others of so they'll stop winning on this issue.

Discussing an important issue isn't bullying. You don't get to shut down discussion of these issues from perspectives other than the one you hold just because you don't believe those perspectives have value. You're entitled to your perspective but you're not entitled to demand society agree with your perspective or that your perspective be given precedence over others.

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27 May 2021, 4:51 pm

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This also means listening to a "category of helpless person" when they say they are being discriminated against and not shutting them down.

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27 May 2021, 6:15 pm

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Exactly.
Do we move on to become better or do we fight racism with more grievance and more racism? The left seems bent on creating division between any and all groups of people with chaos ensuing.

It's not just "the left". The problem is the right hanging onto a "survival of the fittest" mentality in an economy that is in steep decline for anyone born poor, which is mostly minorities. People turn to the "in group" for comfort during economic anxiety, so you get more racial tension. Also, people are more aware of injustice because it's harder to hide it with the internet.

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27 May 2021, 6:28 pm

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This also means listening to a "category of helpless person" when they say they are being discriminated against and not shutting them down.

The right is incapable of this as they are generally devoid of empathy and only care about injustice when they themselves are being targeted. If it happens outside their sphere they just outright dismiss it. Like with the BLM protests, they react to the reaction with fear, but don't even attempt to understand the cause. Just outright dismiss it.

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27 May 2021, 7:11 pm

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cyberdad wrote:

Mr Reynholm wrote:

This also means listening to a "category of helpless person" when they say they are being discriminated against and not shutting them down.

Ideology outweighs and shred of empathy when it comes to MAGAs

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27 May 2021, 8:20 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

Mr Reynholm wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

This isn't the first time you've tried to claim that recognizing that bigotry exists somehow makes the targets of that bigotry helpless.

Yes bigotry exists. It has since humanity has existed. That doesn't make anyone a racists just because You say so. It also doesn't make America a racist country.

It's got nothing to do with me and everything to do with if they fit the definition.

Ignoring America's history doesn't make it go away.

Ohhhhh, I get it, racism TOTALLY ended AGES ago, but the "Wokeys" are just stirring up old wounds for lulz, and the only reason racism exists today is cos the "Wokeys" keep it alive, and not cos people still actually DO racist things - the "Wokeys" just CALL them racist things. Cos everyone knows you can just walk into a room and start chanting literally anything, and the groupthink sheeple reflex just completely takes over, and everyone will join in no matter what it is.

Yes, it's all clear now! "Wokeys" start chanting "racism!", and EVERYONE ELSE just joins in, cos that's how that works, and POC hear it and join in, and now they believe it, and now there's a big brainwashed "Wokey" ARMY roaming the streets beating up anyone who isn't at least 4 genders and 7 races, because "Wokeys" tricked POC into thinking they deserve free stuff to make them not work and buy them off to use as pawns and rig elections!! !

"I'm being BULLIED!"

How?

"THEY WONT STOP DISAGREEING WITH MEEEEEEEE!! !"

"I'm NoT a RaCiSt YoU'Re ThE ReAl RaCiSt, I kNoW yOu ArE bUt WhAt Am I?!?!"

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27 May 2021, 11:27 pm

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At least some of the folks who participated in the Insurrection were white supremacists

Who were they? I have heard nothing about any individuals arrested?

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28 May 2021, 8:06 am

funeralxempire wrote:

Mr Reynholm wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

Mr Reynholm wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

This isn't the first time you've tried to claim that recognizing that bigotry exists somehow makes the targets of that bigotry helpless.

Yes bigotry exists. It has since humanity has existed. That doesn't make anyone a racists just because You say so. It also doesn't make America a racist country.

It's got nothing to do with me and everything to do with if they fit the definition.

Ignoring America's history doesn't make it go away.

You need to take my comments in their proper context by reading the posts by others as well.
I never said that I was being bullied. I said I don't advocate bullying.
I never said change beyond the individual was impossible. The point was that change starts with one's self.
I never said nobody else's perspective has no value. Disagreeing with someone does not invalidate them.
No we shouldn't ignore America's failures. Neither must we obsess on them and demonize America.
We can all agree to disagree. That is the basis of civilized discourse.

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28 May 2021, 8:19 am

cyberdad wrote:

Mr Reynholm wrote:

This also means listening to a "category of helpless person" when they say they are being discriminated against and not shutting them down.

Of course.
Those who are in need should be helped. Unfortunately an entire industry has sprung up around exploiting discrimination real or imagined.

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