Does systemic racism against blacks even exist anymore?

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Actually that's quite funny

depends what it is.

It's an old template, but when it works, it works.

Points for being a good sport, I thought the thread could use a little levity.

Thanks. LOL, that's great.



Always nice when a bit of levity can bring everyone together .



Yes, that's probably what I would say, too. It depends on what the issue is and what they said, not solely on what race they are.

Good for you, you want a cookie? I love it when people set such a low bar as a level of achievement, and wear it like a medal. Hey, good for you. And not just black girls either? Wowie zowie! The audacity. "AHEM. I MARRIED one, thank you." Like you deserve a damn award for your philanthropy. I'm a hysterical loon for having to watch my wife be attacked by ignorant pieces of s**t, but you want a gold star simply because you "married one", as you talk about your wife like a thing rather than a person. High horse, low bar.

Nobody is invalidating the claims of POC who say they've never experienced racism. As has been endlessly mentioned, very few things are 100% anything, and exceptions always exist. I'm sure they have in fact not experienced racism. More on that in a moment.

We're pointing out the convenience of white people unilaterally deciding that the voices who say "they've never experienced racism" are right and true and valid, but the voices who say they HAVE experienced racism are wrong and bad and untrue. Because white people said so.

And notice, the phraseology. "They have never experienced racism." Not that it doesn't exist, just that they personally haven't had it happen tot them. Which is neither mysterious nor difficult to understand, thanks to the remnants of segregation and the will of gentrification. If the whole community is mostly black, from the top to the bottom, then yeah, they probably haven't faced direct racism, simply cos there's so few white people around to hurl some their way in the first place.

If anything, the voices who are saying they are NOT experiencing racism, are simply not being prioritized as highly as the ones who say they are experiencing racism, in the same way a hospital spends more time on people who ARE injured than people who AREN'T injured. Before you start screeching about "who are YOU to decide?!", calm your ass down and consider this. We're not deciding, we're taking THEIR word for it. We are asking THEM, "do you need help with racism?", and if THEY say yes, we do, and if THEY say no, we don't, cos people who don't need help, don't need help. DUH.

And we're pointing out that focusing on the voices that aren't having problems with racism, and ignoring the voices who say they are, is like pointing at the one guy in the pool who isn't drowning as proof that drowning isn't real, and the people screaming "help, I'm drowning!" are merely faking it, and look at how emotional they are so they can't be rational so they probably aren't drowning, they just want attention, and anyways if they really want help that's not how to ask for it...

How can racism not exist, but also the other person is the Real Racist! in the room.

"I'M not the racist, YOU'RE the racist!" is just a more specific wording of "I kNoW yOu ArE bUt WhAt Am I?!"

And as for "levity", yeah, we could use a little humor when talking about human suffering

F**king hypocrites demand respect but don't even seem to know what the word means...



It seems we keep skimming dangerously close to the truth here.

True, one can't control how another person feels about anything. And since white people can't control how POC feel about being mistreated, the next best thing is to misrepresent them so they look like they're just trouble makers, instigators, complainers. Nigglers, whining about minor trivial things.

In the same spirit, since you can't control how I feel, you've chosen instead to misrepresent how I feel. Taking my legitimate ire and angst, and instead turning it into" irrational hysterics" and attention-seeking behavior. Same goes for Dox, moaning about how "long winded" and "unpleasant" I am.



This is just theatrics. Conjuring images of flying spittle and long winded lectures, and resting on that old and tired trope of how "emotions = bad!" and anyone who shows emotion can't be trusted. Setting rules about how another person should feel about something, while their tag team partner completely undermines that by making a big deal about how you CAN'T control how other people feel. It's just an excuse to "disqualify" someone from participating. To silence them, and remove them from the discussion.

Oh no! Long winded and unpleasant! That's literally worse than literal torture! Listen kiddo, these are footnotes on post-its compared to the amount of reading and writing the average literate person reads and writes. Your mental and emotional shortcomings are not my problem. I can't control how you feel about anything. Here, have a tiny violin. Splash around in the kiddie pool some more while you tell me how bad it is dealing with UnPlEaSnTnEsS! Especially if it's more than a few paragraphs of uNpLeAsAnTnEsS! Why, that's practically bad as being slowly killed to death by torture!

And before you get all wound up to point out how I'm being hypocritical, remember, I'm holding your own reasoning up as the template. I'm following YOUR rules. But whenever that makes the other person look bad, they start screeching about how you're "misrepresenting" them.

"You're never going to win anyone over with THAT attitude!" LOL whatever. People who say things like that were never going to be "won over" in the first place. If you expect people to kiss your hand, kiss your ring, and kiss your ass, before you're willing to help them, you're not being won over - you're being bought, bribed, paid off. That's not an ally. That's a prostitute, selling a different kind of love - one called "support".

"RaCiSm iS sO vErY vErY RARE!" Says white people. And condors probably think fishing nets are rare, while a barracuda would probably say pine trees are rare. Just cos something isn't in your personal world doesn't mean it isn't prolific outside your tiny little pond. As a white person, that racism isn't aimed at you. And since even if 100% of black people experienced racism, that's still only 16% of the population, it's not hard to still pretend racism is "rare", since it only happens 16% of the time. And if you live in a predominantly white area, of course you won't see racism, there's no other races TO be racist against. Luckily, western culture still has classism and sexism to engage in at that point. A king can't have a kingdom without peasants.

It sounds way more innocent when you put in terms of "only 16%", and ignore the fact that 16% of the population of america is over 50 million people. The population of oklahoma is around 4 million. The city of los angeles has that many people. But yeah, who cares what 50 million people want, right?

It looks like other people in this thread are also not buying what you're selling.

Wait, is that you Anton? Have any opinions on com-bloc weaponry, or the genius of Depeche Mode?

I wonder if the world would have been a much better place it nobody was ever allowed to leave the boarders of their own territory? No conquests, no colonization, no buying and selling slaves, etc. Just everyone being forced to live among their own cultures and their own people. White people in Europe, Black people in Africa, Asian people in Asia, Indigenous people in the Americas, etc.

Because frankly I'm starting to question if humans really can co-exist with each other anymore...

^^^human nature being what it is [crappy as hell], monocultures would soon differentiate into warring factions.

Have you ever noticed that when it comes to real hate, it isn't the people that are super different that are the most hated, it's the people that are the most similar? The Nazis allied with the Japanese, but tried to eradicate a people so similar to themselves that it often took paperwork to tell them apart, Hutus and Tutsis in Rawanda were essentially made up races and only possible to tell apart from their government ID, actual racists are quite rare in the US, but liberals and conservatives want to murder each other, and they're mostly distinguished by their brand choices, etc.

In other words humans always want to find a reason to hurt or kill each other whether its because of race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc.

Fear of outsiders is hardwired in our brains, It's called in-group out-group social conformity. There's a sliding scale, so the fear is greatest against those most different but there has also been vicious conflict against those who are our geographically closest neighbours.

this lefty is anti-violence and just wants peace. i live with majority far-right-wing family members and we keep our mutual distance for the most part. live and let live.

Homo Sapiens evolved migratory patterns to locate resources (food/shelter). Colonial expeditions during the "great game" were driven by the need for "lebensraum" in newly conquered land (you need somewhere to send your people in overpopulated lands) but also for exploiting resources that could be bought back home.

Countries in the northern hemisphere were less abundant in natural resources and by the middle ages couldn't sustain the growing populations (Europe and China) so this was one of the drivers for expansion into more warmer temperate regions which were resource rich, had docile populations, and "under-exploited". The rest as they say is history.

Honestly I don't want any violence either.

Yes I have right wingers in my extended family although they are the economic right rather than the violent types. But we keep our mutual distance (they are snobs).

That's very sad but I guess that's just the way nature itself works. I remember watching a Hopi prophecy video that explained how nature "Has no mercy, only laws."

I think the guy in that video was right...