Column: Larry Elder is the Black face of white supremacy.
Fnord wrote:
When the backers of a recall election have no single candidate to run against the incumbent, and can instead field only a random collection of fools, freaks, and fascist-wannabes, the defeat of the recall effort is a virtual certainty.
As a side note, is it just me, or has anyone else noticed how quiet this thread has become since the results of the recall election were announced?
As a side note, is it just me, or has anyone else noticed how quiet this thread has become since the results of the recall election were announced?
This generalisation is against WP policy, I would have thought.
I think your commentary, suggesting only miscreant candidates, on the right, are selected, falls into the category of a gross generalisation.
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While it is acceptable to attack and debate beliefs (political, religious etc) it is not acceptable to make generalised attacks on the adherents of those beliefs.
I doubt this post will survive, for various reasons.
Pepe wrote:
Yes, this has been a null post.
Thanks for the chuckle. Pretty sure you meant to let us chuckle.
But you did actually make a valid point, even if I’m not quoting it.
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Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Its a sad day for freedom loving people in California.
What freedom do they love? The freedom to contract Covid for the sake of insane political or religious ideology? Then the freedom to infect others with it? If that's the definition of freedom, then I want nothing to do with it.
As insane as perverting the Truth about the origins of the Wuhan virus to cater for political intrigue and hyper-butt protecting?
Lack of integrity is a two-way street, when it comes to politics.
But that has nothing to do with refusing to wear a mask or getting vaccinated, which was actually a driving force in the recall outcome.
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Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Newsom is still Governor of California.
I find that “recalls” like this reminds me of “shoppers remorse.”
I find that “recalls” like this reminds me of “shoppers remorse.”
Huzzahs!! !
The vote riggers on the left did a better job than the vote riggers on the right.
Is that what you call voters?
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Pepe wrote:
Fnord wrote:
When the backers of a recall election have no single candidate to run against the incumbent, and can instead field only a random collection of fools, freaks, and fascist-wannabes, the defeat of the recall effort is a virtual certainty.
As a side note, is it just me, or has anyone else noticed how quiet this thread has become since the results of the recall election were announced?
As a side note, is it just me, or has anyone else noticed how quiet this thread has become since the results of the recall election were announced?
This generalisation is against WP policy, I would have thought.
I think your commentary, suggesting only miscreant candidates, on the right, are selected, falls into the category of a gross generalisation.
Quote:
While it is acceptable to attack and debate beliefs (political, religious etc) it is not acceptable to make generalised attacks on the adherents of those beliefs.
I doubt this post will survive, for various reasons.
Pepe, having had the privilege of reading the submitted bios and statements for the gubernatorial candidates, I can assure you that the list included members of multiple different parties (including quite a few Democrats) and that most Californians, regardless of party affiliation, felt more or less as Fnord expressed about 99% of the list. I think I’ve more tactically summarized it as porn stars, you tube stars, influencers, various small businessmen with zero political experience, pundits who have never held office, college students, artists, and a former mayor or two. This was not any parties A list, not by a long shot. They all made themselves public figures the moment they put their name on the list and that makes them fair game. Most of them seemed to have managed to pull at least 10,000 votes, suggesting someone somewhere might have believed in them. or I would have suggested 100% of Californians felt the list was bizarre.
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Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Its a sad day for freedom loving people in California.
What freedom do they love? The freedom to contract Covid for the sake of insane political or religious ideology? Then the freedom to infect others with it? If that's the definition of freedom, then I want nothing to do with it.
As insane as perverting the Truth about the origins of the Wuhan virus to cater for political intrigue and hyper-butt protecting?
Lack of integrity is a two-way street, when it comes to politics.
But that has nothing to do with refusing to wear a mask or getting vaccinated, which was actually a driving force in the recall outcome.
As I mentioned, I don't really know the issues involved.
I am in the process of information collection.
Thank you for your patience.
DW_a_mom wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Fnord wrote:
When the backers of a recall election have no single candidate to run against the incumbent, and can instead field only a random collection of fools, freaks, and fascist-wannabes, the defeat of the recall effort is a virtual certainty.
As a side note, is it just me, or has anyone else noticed how quiet this thread has become since the results of the recall election were announced?
As a side note, is it just me, or has anyone else noticed how quiet this thread has become since the results of the recall election were announced?
This generalisation is against WP policy, I would have thought.
I think your commentary, suggesting only miscreant candidates, on the right, are selected, falls into the category of a gross generalisation.
Quote:
While it is acceptable to attack and debate beliefs (political, religious etc) it is not acceptable to make generalised attacks on the adherents of those beliefs.
I doubt this post will survive, for various reasons.
Pepe, having had the privilege of reading the submitted bios and statements for the gubernatorial candidates, I can assure you that the list included members of multiple different parties (including quite a few Democrats) and that most Californians, regardless of party affiliation, felt more or less as Fnord expressed about 99% of the list. I think I’ve more tactically summarized it as porn stars, you tube stars, influencers, various small businessmen with zero political experience, pundits who have never held office, college students, artists, and a former mayor or two. This was not any parties A list, not by a long shot. They all made themselves public figures the moment they put their name on the list and that makes them fair game.
As I have mentioned a number of times, now, I don't really understand what is involved here, and I am in the process of information gathering.
Thank you for your patience and information.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Newsom is still Governor of California.
I find that “recalls” like this reminds me of “shoppers remorse.”
I find that “recalls” like this reminds me of “shoppers remorse.”
Huzzahs!! !
The vote riggers on the left did a better job than the vote riggers on the right.
Is that what you call voters?
Clearly, I didn't understand the situation.
"Thank you for your patience."
I have no problem admitting to my limitations.
Larry Elder is eligible to join whatever party he wants.
Interestingly the OPs proposition is shared by the community that Elder is from
https://laist.com/news/politics/larry-e ... ablishment
Pepe wrote:
Fnord wrote:
When the backers of a recall election have no single candidate to run against the incumbent, and can instead field only a random collection of fools, freaks, and fascist-wannabes, the defeat of the recall effort is a virtual certainty.
As a side note, is it just me, or has anyone else noticed how quiet this thread has become since the results of the recall election were announced?
As a side note, is it just me, or has anyone else noticed how quiet this thread has become since the results of the recall election were announced?
This generalisation is against WP policy, I would have thought.
I think your commentary, suggesting only miscreant candidates, on the right, are selected, falls into the category of a gross generalisation.)
Maybe it's simply his way of admitting that Californian voters simply aren't prepared to have an "African American" as governor, preferring a privileged white male hold the position, based around how he described the recall...
Interestingly enough, he also appears to have not understood how the recall election worked...
There were 2 seperate questions:
The first was whether people thought the current governor's actions warranted his removal from office (a simple yes/no question).
The second question was who should take the role, should enough people believe his actions warranted his removal.
At no point was it a vote between the governor and any other person (no-one was "running against the incumbent", as he was asserting), and it would be entirely possible to prefer another candidate (2nd question) while still voting "no" in the first (Similarly, a person may desire to vote "yes" to the first question, yet still prefer him over the other candidates - although given the way these are designed, that would not be possible (his name wasn't listed for the second question) and so would force the person desiring this outcome to vote "no" to the first question instead, in order to have the desired result).
Of the 4 voting options, only 1 of them would result in the governor being replaced (or 1 from 3, when you consider that one of the options wasn't "possible", requiring those who favoured it to use another of the 4 instead).
As a side note, it would be interesting to see how closely the "no" vote came to the vote for him to hold the position in the last election for it.
cyberdad wrote:
Larry Elder is eligible to join whatever party he wants.
Interestingly the OPs proposition is shared by the community that Elder is from
https://laist.com/news/politics/larry-e ... ablishment
Interestingly the OPs proposition is shared by the community that Elder is from
https://laist.com/news/politics/larry-e ... ablishment
To be precise:
ONE of the communities people are assuming Larry Elder would consider himself to be a part of. Community is defined by those inside it. Not us.
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Brictoria wrote:
Maybe it's simply his way of admitting that Californian voters simply aren't prepared to have an "African American" as governor, preferring a privileged white male hold the position, based around how he described the recall...
Interestingly enough, he also appears to have not understood how the recall election worked...
There were 2 seperate questions:
The first was whether people thought the current governor's actions warranted his removal from office (a simple yes/no question).
The second question was who should take the role, should enough people believe his actions warranted his removal.
At no point was it a vote between the governor and any other person (no-one was "running against the incumbent", as he was asserting), and it would be entirely possible to prefer another candidate (2nd question) while still voting "no" in the first (Similarly, a person may desire to vote "yes" to the first question, yet still prefer him over the other candidates - although given the way these are designed, that would not be possible (his name wasn't listed for the second question) and so would force the person desiring this outcome to vote "no" to the first question instead, in order to have the desired result).
Of the 4 voting options, only 1 of them would result in the governor being replaced (or 1 from 3, when you consider that one of the options wasn't "possible", requiring those who favoured it to use another of the 4 instead).
As a side note, it would be interesting to see how closely the "no" vote came to the vote for him to hold the position in the last election for it.
Interestingly enough, he also appears to have not understood how the recall election worked...
There were 2 seperate questions:
The first was whether people thought the current governor's actions warranted his removal from office (a simple yes/no question).
The second question was who should take the role, should enough people believe his actions warranted his removal.
At no point was it a vote between the governor and any other person (no-one was "running against the incumbent", as he was asserting), and it would be entirely possible to prefer another candidate (2nd question) while still voting "no" in the first (Similarly, a person may desire to vote "yes" to the first question, yet still prefer him over the other candidates - although given the way these are designed, that would not be possible (his name wasn't listed for the second question) and so would force the person desiring this outcome to vote "no" to the first question instead, in order to have the desired result).
Of the 4 voting options, only 1 of them would result in the governor being replaced (or 1 from 3, when you consider that one of the options wasn't "possible", requiring those who favoured it to use another of the 4 instead).
As a side note, it would be interesting to see how closely the "no" vote came to the vote for him to hold the position in the last election for it.
I think your first paragraph is an overreach, because, as you went on to note, this was never a race between Newsome and Elder. Or, even, having a Democrat be in office or a Republican. As I noted in my earlier post, most residents of this state felt pretty negatively about the cast of characters that had entered the field as possible replacements for Newsom. Elder was simply the one among 46 who gained the most momentum among those willing to vote on the second question at all (many refused). Fnord may have skipped a few detail sentences, but as one of the few here who actually voted in this election, his meaning was clear to me: he was taking about the full field of 46. There were no A team candidates from any party among those 46.
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DW_a_mom wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Maybe it's simply his way of admitting that Californian voters simply aren't prepared to have an "African American" as governor, preferring a privileged white male hold the position, based around how he described the recall...
Interestingly enough, he also appears to have not understood how the recall election worked...
There were 2 seperate questions:
The first was whether people thought the current governor's actions warranted his removal from office (a simple yes/no question).
The second question was who should take the role, should enough people believe his actions warranted his removal.
At no point was it a vote between the governor and any other person (no-one was "running against the incumbent", as he was asserting), and it would be entirely possible to prefer another candidate (2nd question) while still voting "no" in the first (Similarly, a person may desire to vote "yes" to the first question, yet still prefer him over the other candidates - although given the way these are designed, that would not be possible (his name wasn't listed for the second question) and so would force the person desiring this outcome to vote "no" to the first question instead, in order to have the desired result).
Of the 4 voting options, only 1 of them would result in the governor being replaced (or 1 from 3, when you consider that one of the options wasn't "possible", requiring those who favoured it to use another of the 4 instead).
As a side note, it would be interesting to see how closely the "no" vote came to the vote for him to hold the position in the last election for it.
Interestingly enough, he also appears to have not understood how the recall election worked...
There were 2 seperate questions:
The first was whether people thought the current governor's actions warranted his removal from office (a simple yes/no question).
The second question was who should take the role, should enough people believe his actions warranted his removal.
At no point was it a vote between the governor and any other person (no-one was "running against the incumbent", as he was asserting), and it would be entirely possible to prefer another candidate (2nd question) while still voting "no" in the first (Similarly, a person may desire to vote "yes" to the first question, yet still prefer him over the other candidates - although given the way these are designed, that would not be possible (his name wasn't listed for the second question) and so would force the person desiring this outcome to vote "no" to the first question instead, in order to have the desired result).
Of the 4 voting options, only 1 of them would result in the governor being replaced (or 1 from 3, when you consider that one of the options wasn't "possible", requiring those who favoured it to use another of the 4 instead).
As a side note, it would be interesting to see how closely the "no" vote came to the vote for him to hold the position in the last election for it.
I think your first paragraph is an overreach, because, as you went on to note, this was never a race between Newsome and Elder. Or, even, having a Democrat be in office or a Republican.
That was why I placed it where I did in my post - I was making that portion of my responce under the same "conditions" as they were portrayed in the post I was replying to, not as they existed. Following this, I then went in to detail as to how those "conditions" in that previous post did not match the actual situation with regards to the way the voting operated.
Brictoria wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Fnord wrote:
When the backers of a recall election have no single candidate to run against the incumbent, and can instead field only a random collection of fools, freaks, and fascist-wannabes, the defeat of the recall effort is a virtual certainty.
As a side note, is it just me, or has anyone else noticed how quiet this thread has become since the results of the recall election were announced?
As a side note, is it just me, or has anyone else noticed how quiet this thread has become since the results of the recall election were announced?
This generalisation is against WP policy, I would have thought.
I think your commentary, suggesting only miscreant candidates, on the right, are selected, falls into the category of a gross generalisation.)
Maybe it's simply his way of admitting that Californian voters simply aren't prepared to have an "African American" as governor, preferring a privileged white male hold the position, based around how he described the recall...
Interestingly enough, he also appears to have not understood how the recall election worked...
There were 2 seperate questions:
The first was whether people thought the current governor's actions warranted his removal from office (a simple yes/no question).
The second question was who should take the role, should enough people believe his actions warranted his removal.
At no point was it a vote between the governor and any other person (no-one was "running against the incumbent", as he was asserting), and it would be entirely possible to prefer another candidate (2nd question) while still voting "no" in the first (Similarly, a person may desire to vote "yes" to the first question, yet still prefer him over the other candidates - although given the way these are designed, that would not be possible (his name wasn't listed for the second question) and so would force the person desiring this outcome to vote "no" to the first question instead, in order to have the desired result).
Of the 4 voting options, only 1 of them would result in the governor being replaced (or 1 from 3, when you consider that one of the options wasn't "possible", requiring those who favoured it to use another of the 4 instead).
As a side note, it would be interesting to see how closely the "no" vote came to the vote for him to hold the position in the last election for it.
Thank you for your "due diligence".
