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13 Sep 2021, 10:23 am

Most of the land area in New York State is conservative.

But most of the population is liberal.

Rather like the United States, where if only land area was considered, it would be a 75% conservative country, at least.

But in its population, its about 50/50.



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13 Sep 2021, 10:25 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Most of the land area in New York State is conservative.

But most of the population is liberal.

Rather like the United States, where if only land area was considered, it would be a 75% conservative country, at least.

But in its population, its about 50/50.


True of Illinois as well.



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13 Sep 2021, 10:36 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Most of the land area in New York State is conservative.

But most of the population is liberal.

Rather like the United States, where if only land area was considered, it would be a 75% conservative country, at least.

But in its population, its about 50/50.



That makes sense. I've been told that by people I've met from New York.

It's kinda funny how many people seem to picture New York City when they think of the state of New York not realizing that there's more to your state than the big city parts.

Just like in Georgia people think it's nothing but backwoods, cotton fields, and rednecks but you have cities like Atlanta and Savannah which are both like New York City in a way because they are very progressive cities in the south.


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13 Sep 2021, 10:45 am

Atlanta is probably just as cosmopolitan in many ways as New York City.

To put things in perspective, New York City has about 300 square miles,
The rest of New York State has about 54,000 square miles.

New York City's population is about 8.8 million
The rest of the state's population is about 11 million.



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13 Sep 2021, 10:48 am

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all strumpy hadda do is throw the working class a bone. but he never did any such thing yet still so many of them loved the devil out of the SOB. a mystery, almost masochistic IMHO.


We have covered this before I believe, Blabs
Because of Trump, cloured people were the biggest beneficiaries in terms of finding a job and wage increases.
And, yes, I know, the wages were from a low base, but would you prefer they got nothing? 8O

You really need to put your hatred of the man to one side.
It is distorting your judgement. 8)

he tried to steal health coverage from tens of millions of people, and to make matters worse tried to permanently price them out of real health care in favor of his sham "health plans" which were about anything but health, take their money and don't give them any real health coverage to show for it.


We have covered this before.
The American health system is an abomination, yes.

But that doesn't mean people can ignore the Truth in other areas. 8)
Being hyperpartisan destroys a person's credibility. 8O

without access to affordable health care, NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. PERIOD.


You are missing the point.
I realise yours.

I can afford to be objective.
You are saying you can't.
Distorting the Truth changes nothing.

I have no problem with people hating Trump.
I have a problem with people disrespecting the Truth. 8)



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13 Sep 2021, 10:56 am

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Oh okay, but a lot of states identify themselves as blue or red, so are they not really blue or red so much when they say that?


The majority may identify with red or blue, but there would be a significant number, in the same state, who don't, at times.
The binary that states are completely red or blue is invalid, obviously.

I am not sure this is helpful, here.
Just sayin'. 8)



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13 Sep 2021, 12:22 pm

auntblabby wrote:
Pepe wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Pepe wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
all strumpy hadda do is throw the working class a bone. but he never did any such thing yet still so many of them loved the devil out of the SOB. a mystery, almost masochistic IMHO.


We have covered this before I believe, Blabs
Because of Trump, cloured people were the biggest beneficiaries in terms of finding a job and wage increases.
And, yes, I know, the wages were from a low base, but would you prefer they got nothing? 8O

You really need to put your hatred of the man to one side.
It is distorting your judgement. 8)

he tried to steal health coverage from tens of millions of people, and to make matters worse tried to permanently price them out of real health care in favor of his sham "health plans" which were about anything but health, take their money and don't give them any real health coverage to show for it.


We have covered this before.
The American health system is an abomination, yes.

But that doesn't mean people can ignore the Truth in other areas. 8)
Being hyperpartisan destroys a person's credibility. 8O

without access to affordable health care, NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. PERIOD.


Not to healthy people who need the money for other things.



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13 Sep 2021, 4:56 pm

Pepe wrote:
There is at least one video clip where he specifically states that he is not blaming American Asians/Chinese for the Wuhan coronavirus.
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There is a report/video of him telling people not to blame the Asian/Chinese community in America.
Phew, I guess that's Ok then as long as he's said so. That'll fix it quicksmart. /sarc

But there are plenty more of him downplaying the virus, and making stupid comments about "Kung flu", the "China virus" and the "Wuhan virus".


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13 Sep 2021, 5:19 pm

Cornflake wrote:
Pepe wrote:
There is at least one video clip where he specifically states that he is not blaming American Asians/Chinese for the Wuhan coronavirus.
Pepe wrote:
There is a report/video of him telling people not to blame the Asian/Chinese community in America.
Phew, I guess that's Ok then as long as he's said so. That'll fix it quicksmart. /sarc

But there are plenty more of him downplaying the virus, and making stupid comments about "Kung flu", the "China virus" and the "Wuhan virus".


That's exactly what I wanted to say about this, but unfortunately I was too triggered and in rage mode last night. :oops:

Trump has said some very nasty things about Chinese people because of this coronavirus which had the domino effect of encouraging anti-Asian violence and hatred throughout the US (just like when he was accusing Hispanics of being 'murderers and rapists').

But of course his supporters will always deny this and then somehow deflect it by accusing the Democrats of being the 'real racists'.

So I only have one question. Where exactly will our country be 10 years from now?


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13 Sep 2021, 6:04 pm

The Chinese have a surveillence heavey population control . The goals there was to convince the masses there that this and various other methods of population control are actually good for the citizens . Keep them safe . Get whatever civil services including medical from the government that they wish to make,available to those in favour with the government.
Little by little it is the same intention of our government here , in the long run i feel.
People who dissent or are resistors, will be selected out and not offered or have available to them the same civil rights as those who do follow the government logic/ propaganda. As a physically handicapped person with autism , i have seen this first hand. Over the last ten years of my life . Including attempts by the powers that be to put me into repeated situations, where their intent was to cause me to have a criminal record At least once. Unsuccessfully i might add.


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13 Sep 2021, 6:07 pm

King0fSpades wrote:

That's exactly what I wanted to say about this, but unfortunately I was too triggered and in rage mode last night. :oops:

Trump has said some very nasty things about Chinese people because of this coronavirus which had the domino effect of encouraging anti-Asian violence and hatred throughout the US (just like when he was accusing Hispanics of being 'murderers and rapists').

But of course his supporters will always deny this and then somehow deflect it by accusing the Democrats of being the 'real racists'.

So I only have one question. Where exactly will our country be 10 years from now?


The facts:
-The ccp lied about the transmissibility of the coronavirus.
-The ccp told Trump the virus would die out in the summer.
-The ccp allowed infected workers and tourists to travel around the world.
-While the lie was being told, the ccp ransacked the world of PPE.
-Evidence and reason heavily suggests the virus was manmade.
-Initial beliefs by epidemiologists, was that the virus was not a naturally occurring phenomenon.
-Politics interfered with that speculation.
-Evidence and reason heavily suggests it escaped the Wuhan lab.
-Suggestions that the virus was manmade was censored by big business media outlets.
-The prevailing scientific belief these days is that the virus was, indeed, manmade.
-The deniers have egg on their faces. :mrgreen:
-The ccp purged data or hid information about the research of the coronavirus at the "Corona Virus Research Lab".
-Chinese doctors who were trying to warn the world disappeared, were silenced or found dead.

The ccp has a lot to answer for, but they will probably get away with it.
"Might makes right", after all. 8)

Trump is a politician and does what politicians do on either side of the political divide, the dirty filthy bastardos. :mrgreen:
The Democrats perverted the investigation of the origins of the Wuhan virus because they wanted to win the election, imo.
Outrageous and indefensible, if True. 8O
Both political parties acted despicably.

My understanding is that you are part Asian.
Also, my understanding is that you embrace the progressive ideology.
If this is correct, this may be influencing your point of view.
Understandable, but the emphasis should be on the Truth, rather than subjective emotionalism and blindly following a political narrative that actually changed when the orange man was out of the equation.

Intelligent people are cynical/skeptical/open-minded people when it comes to politics.
Kritical thinking trumps groupthink. 8)

The satirical skunk has spoken. 8)



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13 Sep 2021, 6:13 pm

Jakki wrote:
The Chinese have a surveillence heavey population control . The goals there was to convince the masses there that this and various other methods of population control are actually good for the citizens . Keep them safe . Get whatever civil services including medical from the government that they wish to make,available to those in favour with the government.
Little by little it is the same intention of our government here , in the long run i feel.
People who dissent or are resistors, will be selected out and not offered or have available to them the same civil rights as those who do follow the government logic/ propaganda. As a physically handicapped person with autism , i have seen this first hand. Over the last ten years of my life . Including attempts by the powers that be to put me into repeated situations, where their intent was to cause me to have a criminal record At least once. Unsuccessfully i might add.


Entrapment is part of the establishment's "bag of tricks", yes. 8)



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13 Sep 2021, 6:19 pm

 ! Cornflake wrote:
Pepe, would you please stop passing judgement on other members' reasoning skills, or how you think they may be being influenced. You are also somewhat more than hinting about members' "subjective emotionalism and blindly following a political narrative", with your views on what constitutes intelligent people and how they should behave WRT thinking.

Instead of posting these judgements and bragging how much of a rational, critical-thinking truth-seeker you are (it's not just to this thread) - let's have some involvement and discussion instead.


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13 Sep 2021, 7:09 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Atlanta is probably just as cosmopolitan in many ways as New York City.

To put things in perspective, New York City has about 300 square miles,
The rest of New York State has about 54,000 square miles.

New York City's population is about 8.8 million
The rest of the state's population is about 11 million.

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13 Sep 2021, 7:40 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Most of the land area in New York State is conservative.

But most of the population is liberal.

Rather like the United States, where if only land area was considered, it would be a 75% conservative country, at least.

But in its population, its about 50/50.


I've heard blue America described as the Urban Archipelago, which lines up well with most of the election maps I've seen.

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13 Sep 2021, 8:08 pm

King0fSpades wrote:
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Oh okay, but a lot of states identify themselves as blue or red, so are they not really blue or red so much when they say that?


All states in the US are honestly a mix of both conservative and liberal ideals despite the red and blue labels. In red states you usually have more liberal people who stick with bigger cities like for example Atlanta here in Georgia which is considered very liberal.

And in blue states you still have conservatives who stick to the more rural areas like in Upstate New York (or so I've heard, honestly I've never been to New York so I wouldnt know for sure.)


But how are civil wars fought though in other instances, since two groups of people are always mixed througout a country? What makes other civil wars different in terms of groups fighting?