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06 Oct 2008, 5:27 pm

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It's a kind of positive feedback loop

  1. People knock me ruthlessly
  2. I have to feel superior through academics
  3. I mention my achievements in order to feel good about anything
  4. People knock me ruthlessly...

The end result will be one callous motherfucker


You're a lot funnier and more cutting than everyone else too, don't forget that.


Here is 1 example Phag, of you giving him props for being a sadistic lunatic.



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06 Oct 2008, 5:29 pm

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Well, I'll be sure to let Cornell University know that you're a raging nutjob, including transcriptions from this thread and a link to the thread. I'll also inform my good friend who is currently studying for his second year of a PHD in artificial intelligence and machine learning at Edinburgh University (one of the UK's leading institutions in such a subject), and who was contacted several years ago by the US military with a request to help them develop the AI system that now drives the prototypes for their autonomous rescue robots (i.e. he knows his sh**), and get him to get word out in the AI community at large that you are f***ing dangerous.


Your behavior is pathetic and futile.


Here's another one of you defending Chever's nutjob standpoint.



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06 Oct 2008, 5:31 pm

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My point is, if you blacklist (and yes, that is what you were suggesting) people because you find them odd or eccentric from academic opportunities, I can guarantee you that we will have a lot less thinkers and visionaries in the near future.

Dude, it's an internet forum, you don't have to get your undies in a twist and b***h to leading academic departments. Do you really think they would care?


Here's another one... Yeah, Hitler was a "thinker and visionary" too. Do I need to keep going?



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06 Oct 2008, 5:35 pm

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Snake...

Chever isn't being treated like a hero. Almost everyone has ripped into him in this thread.

And Claire never defended him. I think your reading to much into it. Claire if anything was simply indifferent to the situation. Most likely, she didn't want to be dragged into it.

As for phagocyte...I think he just likes to going off-topic and being an ass. Each forum has them. At least, thats what I got from his replies...plus he may also have a fascination with robots...so he tries to kill two birds with one stone.

I don't actually think Chever has a single real ally in this thread.


Yeah I suppose your right... Only a couple of people have really said anything to his defense.... But this isn't the 1st time I've witnessed people who'd burn a hole through me just to follow some lunatic.. Don't get me wrong I'm definately not looking for followers.. People always give AG that pat on the back, even though he openly brags that he's a selfish, ignorant, egotistical, heartless, greedy person... He defends big business, sweat shops, and the right to torture your dog for kicks, and more "might equals right" BS.... And somehow, nobody cares about this.

It's not even that that gets me angry at this forum, it's the fact that I am laughed off and ridiculed before anyone even listens to anything I've got to say, nobody ever just listens to what I say objectively, they've just got to try and burn holes through everything I say here, but then people are willing to give the pat on the back to a total lunatic.



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06 Oct 2008, 5:53 pm

I do not think it is right to be discussing members who are not part of the converstion and present to defend theirself. I am a fairly new member, so I have little knowledge of what members have said in the past. I do know that people can change. I personally have changed a great deal since I was Chever, AG, and Phagocyte's age. In have also changed quite a bit since I was your age, Snake321. I prefer to form my own opinions about other people, free of the bias of the opinion of others.



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06 Oct 2008, 5:56 pm

Well Chever brags about being in colledge, not only that but a prestigious colledge, where he's in the position to do a lot of harm because he keeps bragging about his degree to be a doctor or weapons scientist or whatever it is. I think it's safe to assume he's an adult.



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06 Oct 2008, 5:56 pm

snake321 wrote:
It's not even that that gets me angry at this forum, it's the fact that I am laughed off and ridiculed before anyone even listens to anything I've got to say,
I like reading what you have to say.



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06 Oct 2008, 6:30 pm

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I don't understand how that video has the truth about everything. It's just a bunch of verbal abuse dubbed over onto some old He Man footage.


It's Full Metal Jacket, numbnuts.


Don't call me numbnuts. What makes you think my nuts are numb? Have you met my nuts?



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06 Oct 2008, 7:03 pm

Looks like you don't understand metaphor

snake321 wrote:
Phagocyte wrote:
My point is, if you blacklist (and yes, that is what you were suggesting) people because you find them odd or eccentric from academic opportunities, I can guarantee you that we will have a lot less thinkers and visionaries in the near future.

Dude, it's an internet forum, you don't have to get your undies in a twist and b***h to leading academic departments. Do you really think they would care?


Here's another one... Yeah, Hitler was a "thinker and visionary" too. Do I need to keep going?


[Chorus]
Hitler was a sensitive man [x4]

He went to art school when he was younger
He wanted to be a painter
Hitler was a vegetarian
He was also a non-smoker

[Chorus]

He hired gay and handicapped officers
He was concerned about overpopulation
If Hitler were alive today
He’d listen to The Cure, The Smiths, and Depeche Mode


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06 Oct 2008, 7:07 pm

Chever, people rip on you because you want them to.



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06 Oct 2008, 7:27 pm

You know it's true!


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06 Oct 2008, 7:41 pm

the humans are dead



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06 Oct 2008, 7:43 pm

snake321 wrote:
Here is 1 example Phag, of you giving him props for being a sadistic lunatic.


No, I give him props because he's awesome. Next question?

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Here's another one of you defending Chever's nutjob standpoint.


Someone was trying to quell his educational endeavors by trying to blacklist him from university admissions. I found that morally corrupt and voiced my opinion.

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Here's another one... Yeah, Hitler was a "thinker and visionary" too. Do I need to keep going?


...and once again, you've digressed into nonsense.


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06 Oct 2008, 7:44 pm

not the topic



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06 Oct 2008, 8:06 pm

...and now, we return to our regularly scheduled program...

This article gives a bit of both points of view.

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Cybernetic revolt
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Cybernetic revolt, more commonly known as "the computers take over", is a conceivable scenario in which AIs (often a single supercomputer, e.g. Colossus, or a computer network, but sometimes a collective intelligence such as that in the Matrix series) decide that humans are a threat (either to themselves or to the machines) and try to destroy or to enslave them, potentially leading to Machine Rule. In this genre, humans often prevail using "human" qualities, for example using emotions, illogic, inefficiency, duplicity, or exploiting the supposedly rigid, rules-based thinking and lack of innovation of the computer's black/white mind.

While this is mainly a fictional scenario, major academics and researchers have called for humanity to confront the possible ramifications of AI before things go too far.

Relevance
The fear of humanity being made obsolete by technology taps into some of modern human's deepest fears. This can be shown to have been the case even before the computer became prominent, such as Charlie Chaplin's movie Modern Times and Fritz Lang's Metropolis shows. However, even as he was slowly being displaced from most physical tasks, man has always prided himself on his brain, taking the mechanistic 'thoughts' of early computers as proof that he would not be overtaken by his 'Frankenstein' creations.

While artificial intelligence, in terms of a replication of human intelligence, is still a remote concept, successes in certain parts of intelligence — as for example in the victories of the Deep Blue chess computer — have shaken mankind's certainty about its permanent place at the top of sentience. Indeed in other ways, e.g. speed of processing and memory, it can be seen that artificial intelligence already outperforms human intelligence.


Reality

Computing power
As Moore's law has shown, computer power has (seemingly) limitless growth potential. While there are physical constraints to the speed at which modern microprocessors can function, scientists are already developing means eventually to supersede these limits, such as quantum computers. As futurist and computer scientist Raymond Kurzweil has noted, "There are physical limits to computation, but they're not very limiting." If this process of growth continues, and existing problems in creating artificial intelligence are overcome, sentient machines are likely to immediately hold an enormous advantage in at least some forms of mental capability, including the capacity of perfect recall, a vastly superior knowledge base, and the ability to multitask in ways not possible to biological entities. This may give them the opportunity to— either as a single being or as a new species — become much more powerful than humans, and to displace them.


Necessity of conflict
For a cybernetic revolt to be inevitable, it has to be postulated that two intelligent species cannot pursue mutually the goals of coexisting peacefully in an overlapping environment - especially if one is of much more advanced intelligence and power. While a cybernetic revolt (where the machine is the more advanced species) is thus a possible outcome of machines gaining sentience/ and or sapience, neither can it be disproven that a peaceful outcome is possible. The fear of a cybernetic revolt is often based on interpretations of humanity's history, which is rife with incidents of enslavement and genocide. However, there are some examples of less powerful or advanced societies or groups existing in parallel to advanced or powerful ones, such as the relationship between the Amish and contemporary "English" (non-Amish) societies.

Such fears stem from a belief that competitiveness and aggression are necessary in any intelligent being's goal system. Such human competitiveness stems from the evolutionary background to our intelligence, where the survival and reproduction of genes in the face of human and non-human competitors was the central goal. In fact, an arbitrary intelligence could have arbitrary goals: there is no particular reason that an artificially-intelligent machine (not sharing humanity's evolutionary context) would be hostile -- or friendly -- unless its creator programs it to be such (and indeed military systems would be designed to be hostile, at least under certain circumstances).

Some scientists dispute the likelihood of cybernetic revolts as depicted in science fiction such as The Matrix, claiming that it is more likely that any artificial intelligences powerful enough to threaten humanity would probably be programmed not to attack it. This would not, however, protect against the possibility of a revolt initiated by terrorists, or by accident. Artificial General Intelligence researcher Eliezer Yudkowsky has stated on this note that, probabilistically, humanity is less likely to be threatened by deliberately aggressive AIs than by AIs which were programmed such that their goals are unintentionally incompatible with human survival or well-being.

Another factor which may negate the likelihood of a cybernetic revolt is the vast difference between humans and AIs in terms of the resources necessary for survival. Humans require a "wet," organic, temperate, oxygen-laden environment while an AI might thrive essentially anywhere because their construction and energy needs would most likely be largely non-organic. With little or no competition for resources, conflict would perhaps be less likely no matter what sort of motivational architecture an artificial intelligence was given, especially provided with the superabundance of non-organic material resources in, for instance, the asteroid belt. This, however, does not negate the possibility of a disinterested or unsympathetic AI artificially decomposing all life on earth into mineral components for consumption or other purposes.

Other scientists point to the possibility of humans upgrading their capabilities and, as cyborgs, becoming the dominant species in themselves.


Technological singularity
Some groups, called Singularitarians, who advocate what might be defined as a peaceful (non-violent, non-invasive, non-coercive) cybernetic revolt known as a 'technological singularity', argue that it is in humanity's best interests to bring about such an event, as long as it can be ensured that the event would be beneficial. They postulate that a society run by intelligent machines (or cyborgs) could potentially be vastly more efficient than a society run by human beings. A society led by friendly, altruistic sentiences of this type would therefore be to humanity's great benefit. To this end, there has been much recent work in what has become known as Friendliness Theory, which holds that, as advocate and AI researcher Eliezer Yudkowsky states, "... you ought to be able to reach into 'mind-design-space' (i.e. the hypothetical realm which contains all possible intelligent minds) and pull out a mind (design an intelligent machine) such that afterwards, you're glad you made it real."



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07 Oct 2008, 5:45 pm

Phagocyte wrote:
snake321 wrote:
Here is 1 example Phag, of you giving him props for being a sadistic lunatic.


No, I give him props because he's awesome. Next question?

snake321 wrote:
Here's another one of you defending Chever's nutjob standpoint.


Someone was trying to quell his educational endeavors by trying to blacklist him from university admissions. I found that morally corrupt and voiced my opinion.

snake321 wrote:
Here's another one... Yeah, Hitler was a "thinker and visionary" too. Do I need to keep going?


...and once again, you've digressed into nonsense.


I'll bet Chever has more than one account on these forums.. how can he not? he has multiple personalities, it seems to make sense. Anybody who defends his views are either as bad as he is, or they are in fact HIM... in which case you're a shit cloud raining shit just like he is..