Gun control is withering on the vine.

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“This shouldn’t happen in this country or anywhere else, but in a free society, we’re going to be subject to people like this, so I prefer this to the alternative.”
-John Green, father of Christina Green- that 9 year old girl you are referring to. Her parents have focused their efforts into promoting academic achievement with no mention of gun politics.

Well, do you think that you could find Christina Green herself and get her opinion on the matter?

Look, I am thinking right now about one incident recently here in Raleigh, NC, where some poor black dude was playing with a gun, and he accidentally shot some kid who was playing in a nearby park. I feel for the family of that little girl, but I feel even more for him. He wasn't a vicious thug or a criminal. He just didn't know what he was getting into when he got that pistol. But now he's a murderer, and his life is down the toilet. And you know, the boy might have amounted to something one day.

So I have always agreed with the idea of people being required to go through safety training before being allowed to buy any sort of firearm. It's not like I'm going off the deep end, here. The idea really isn't all that radical.

wow, mr DOX 47 trashes me for speaking out, without reservation. know what, i believe i've earned the right to do that by giving 4 years of my life to military service. doxie reminds me of donald rumsfeld, an arrogant human who helps others just like him, cheny-george43, starts wars over nothing, because they're essentially too good to actually serve in the military.

one thing for sure, what i write is truthful ......something dox47 seems to know nothing about. being honest, that is. just like his soul mates, george43 et al, dox47 uses only selected passages to tell half truths. to make his point, he does not use my entire statement, only the part that suits him. in white trash language, a lie. he lies about what i write to prove how superior he is. wow, what an ego dox47 must have. he certainly is lacking in honor. he has proven that.

politics must be in dox47's future. he is absolutely suited for it. without honor is he....as yoda might say.

WilliamWDelaney wrote:

Tragic as it was, there were other deaths of children in the world that same day by all sorts of means.



Negligence is negligence and unless he was mentally ret*d or something he had to know that a firearm was at least potentially dangerous and not a toy. I can’t see having more sympathy for the one that pulled the trigger than the one that caught the bullet and died. The little girl did nothing to earn getting shot but the shooter was at least at fault for being careless.



It’s not like driving a car. Operating a motor vehicle on public roads is a privilege and not a right. Owning a firearm, on the other hand, is a right. It’s on the individual to learn how to handle their weapon or suffer the potential consequences. I can speak from experience as a NRA certified Range Safety Officer that I do know that some gun owners are ignorant and negligent because I’ve had to correct some of them. Most of those that I’ve had to call out are at least open and eager to learn the right way. Most gun owners are at least safe, though.

I was criticizing John's reasoning. If you were to read the remark in its proper context, this would be self-evident.

Hey, a simple thirty-minute lesson on gun safety could have ascertained it, don't you think?

I didn't say it was. When will you people get it through your thick heads that, just because I am a f*****g poofter and don't like conservatives, I'm not this anti-gun straight party line Massachusetts Democrat. I was raised in a swamp! Before that, I lived next to a salt marsh! I am familiar with and comfortable with gun culture. I grew up around it. It means NOTHING to me.

But I think it's perfectly reasonable to ask that people selling firearms be required to give the purchaser instruction on gun safety and ascertain that the buyer is familiar with the laws pertaining to the use of the weapon. It's not like my ideas are all that radical. I'm not even sure they're left of center.

Yeah, and a tradition in the USA. I'm not really inclined to provide a history lesson on the origin of the 2nd Amendment. I'm doubtful that you're familiar with the full extent of the background, but that's really neither here nor there.

The 2nd Amendment is partially there to protect us from the Federal Government. The 2nd Amendment is the keystone amendment that safeguards all the other amendments, it is the teeth that protects our other rights. If none of us were allowed to own firearms, what would happen if we go to protest, just look at what is happening to the Syrians being slaughtered by their own government, and that is a perfect example.

Our first amendment right and immunities are more important for guarding the rest of our rights than the second amendment. Now-a-days government use tanks and helicopters against masses of people. Neither of these weapons are available to ordinary citizens under the 2nd amendment.

The pen and the keyboard is mightier than the 7.62 round

ruveyn

Tell that to the people in Syria.

You have a point. All bets are off in Muslim countries.

But look what happened in Russia. Yeltsin was able to sweet talk the soviet army into standing down and reimposing communist rule on the people.

ruveyn

You criticize everyone’s reasoning that isn’t of your political leanings.



Not with everyone it wouldn’t, trust me.
Additionally, when you mandate something laws have to be written and approved by legislature and it creates more red tape. The burden of responsible handling of a weapon rests on the one handling the weapon, not whoever sold it to them.
If a store sells cigarette lighters or matches should they be required to teach a class to each buyer on fire safety?



Whatev……….



Not reasonable for the reasons stated above about laws and seller vs. buyer responsibility.



Yes, I’m aware of the origin of the 2nd amendment but I bet you’re not. Your interpretation of it does not make it fact.

It's called guerrilla warfare, how you fight the government.
There are several examples of success.

Oh, look who is talking. The only reason I can think of that you're annoying me over this is that I'm strongly against you on a handful of subjects, and I talk dirt about your beloved GOP.

Damn it, I'm not even uncompromisingly liberal in practice. I voted for Burr last year, and I'm pro-nuclear. I've shown myself to be coolly indifferent on medicare and social security reform; quite frankly, I think that, if the people who would be most affected by it want it, they should show more support for the politicians out there who are on their side with it. I'm not going to fight their cause for them at my own expense. And I haven't uttered an inkling on abortion for the same reasons: the feminists have let their cause lapse, and I'm not sympathetic.

Well, that's one of the reasons that I support North Carolina's laws on pistol permits. Laws regarding traditional hunting equipment are pretty lax because most of the people buying it come from traditional families and know guns better than they know literacy or Jesus. Pistol permits in North Carolina require you to check in with your local sheriff.

And you know, I'm fine with that law. I don't see any reason to change it. As far as I know, nobody has made any serious proposal to change it, even the Republicans who presently control the General Assembly.

Will you please get it through your skull, which seems to be thick and dense, that I'm not proposing any new laws. I have been saying throughout this whole entire exchange that I am happy with the laws that we have. The status quo is fine.

You're not paying attention. What a waste of my time.

If my representative felt that it was necessary, I trust her judgment.

How do you even know my basic interpretation differs from yours?

The reason the history lesson didn't matter was that the precedent for the law had little to do with the reasons why Jefferson actually advocated it. The reasons Jefferson proposed for the law were essentially the same arguments you usually hear from the NRA douchebags: he was concerned that the newly formed government could become in itself a threat to people's liberty, and he felt that allowing the states and individuals to arm themselves would enable them to defend themselves.

The only reason I really disagree very strongly with Jefferson is that I don't have much confidence in the usefulness of a firearm in protecting me from tyranny, especially if I don't have any means of manufacturing ammunition for it. I'd be better off knowing how to make napalm out of boiled fish guts, river mud and styrofoam cups. Knowing how to identify medicinal plants would also help matters, which of course I DO. But as unconcerned as I am about whether or not my neighbor has a loaded gun, I think it's stupid to think that a centrally manufactured weapon would help you if the American government were to fall under the rule of a totalitarian dictatorship. You wouldn't be able to buy ammunition for it. I do have an antique muzzle-loader in the house, though: still works pretty well after a century and a half. Hey, I wouldn't have any trouble smelting bullets for that out of river mud extracts, but you can't buy the god damn things anymore.

The legal precedents for the 2nd Amendment are actually water under the bridge, which is why I didn't go into them. The roots of the law are related to the conflict between the Protestants and the Catholics in Great Britain. It's rather irrelevant now, and Jefferson's reasons for adopting it were completely different. Most people don't know this, and they don't care. It's not really all that important in the context of this conversation.

But I never really gave a whit about guns at all. I just disagree with lobbyists and activists trying to muck up what is really a perfectly reasonable system of regulations. Don't screw with it, people! The system works just fine! You're not in danger of anyone shooting you unless you get into an argument with a damn crazy-ass hispanic teenager. And only idiots argue with hispanic teenagers anyway. They're content to leave white man alone, and that makes me happy! It is wonderful that our mutual dependence on one another has given us an economic motive to be polite to each other and not make crap for each other. There is nothing to fear from guns. A cigarette smoker standing next to you is a bigger threat to your life than a negro carrying a loaded gun will ever be.

You've got the wrong guy, Raptor. Nothing to see here. I'm a MODERATE ON THIS. I'm pro-status quo. I'm content with the way things are. I'm not one of the people who are keen on taking away your distempered guns, damn it.

Is it even possible for you to reply to anything without going off on a tirade?
Probably not...........