Is Atheism a threat to Freedom

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@ waltur

I'm going to quote the part that you said which led to my comment about you being intolerant.



So don't try to weasel out of it, what you said seems to be how you actually feel about people whom are religious.

i merely pointed out that you assumed a less complex motivation.

Yeah, the Bible is laid out as a "historical text" (a very thickly embellished and largely made up historical text, but I digress), in which God occasionally (actually pretty often) pokes his head in and turns it into a rule book (he actually comes in and gives precise rules as to how life should be lived, and a lot of those rules are absolute madness).

And didn't Jesus also say, albeit in slightly different words, that everything in the old laws is unchangeable? (I'll give you a chance to dispute this before I go find the exact quotes for you.) Jesus was a very self-contradictory person if you take all the gospels as true. I guess it runs in the family, huh?

You're taking it out of context again.

I know that I have the diplomatic tact of freight train. That said, I have no personal animousity towards you, I don't think that you aren't intelligent.

I do think Atheism has serious flaws and on this issue it is my belief that you are wrong. Further for the record wasn't it either you or one of your other friends that said go ahead and post a topic like this on Atheism.

Post that thread. Seriously, please do it.

Inuyasha, why don't you actually start a thread. I really don't care about posters whining about like babies. This is PPR. Let people "call for your head". If you have an argument, then argue it, don't whine.

I do think Atheism has serious flaws and on this issue it is my belief that you are wrong. Further for the record wasn't it either you or one of your other friends that said go ahead and post a topic like this on Atheism.

Let he whom is without sin cast the first stone.

Christians can recognize they have their flaws and for some reason Atheists can't

Yeah, and give it a few centuries and maybe people will no longer believe the revolutionary war happened. That George Washington didn't exist, etc.

Again you have to look in context, because I'm sure you can take a piece from one part of the bible and take it completely out of context to contradict another part of the Bible.

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

"All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

"Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

"Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

“He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell." [Matthew 5:27-30]

Atheism is basically a proper name for a religion, whether you choose to recognize the fact it is in fact a religion isn't my problem.

Furthermore, I did not make any comment insulting Atheists implying that they lacked intelligence.

@ waltur

I have largely been targetting the mindset of Atheism not individuals whom happen to be Atheists.

Atheism is basically a proper name for a religion, whether you choose to recognize the fact it is in fact a religion isn't my problem.

You also neglected to point out the context in which I made the remark you are quoting, was it accidental or was it deliberate to try to cast me in the worst possible light? I'm hoping for the former but suspecting the latter.

I wasn't the one that made comments insinuating that people whom are Christians/Jews/Muslims/etc. are of lesser intelligence than Atheists. Furthermore, I did not make any comment insulting Atheists implying that they lacked intelligence.

It is a good question as to what atheists worship, what do you consider to be your ultimate authority figure?

Really I could care less if atheists recognize themselves to be a religion or not, it basically is a religion due to the fact it is a belief there is no god.

The lawsuits to force people to remove religious symbols and not allow religious displays because they offend atheists somehow. I really don't see how a nativity scene of a manger is offensive. Likewise I wouldn't consider a manora (however it is spelled) offensive.

But apparently atheists have a problem with people celebrating Christmas, as to why I have no idea.

There reaches a point where one overdoes separation of church and state.

The law perhaps?

No. Atheism is the lack of belief in a god. Not the belief in the lack of a god.

Neither of these things are offensive, I'll give you that. Requiring prayer in schools on the other hand...

I don't know any atheists that have issues with other people celebrating Christmas. Heck - I'm an atheist, and I celebrate Christmas. I just don't celebrate Jesus's "Birthday."

Really? Separation of Church & State means the complete lack of Government involvement in religious affairs. That means that 0% of the country's budget should be used to endorse or suppress any religion.

By the way, I fixed your spelling.

Okay then what if a law is unjust.



That is the same thing only you are moving words around, I will grant you some Aethists are open to the possibility of God actually existing. But it seems to be more of a belief that there is no God.



And what about someone choosing on their own to pray and it happens to be at a school. Should a student get threatened or suspended for praying? Should a student get in trouble for wearing a cross on a necklace? These aren't hypotheticals, these have happened. Home Depot apparently fired someone for a "One nation under God," pin but let people wear gay pride buttons. Is that acceptable?



That is you personally, there have been plenty of incidents covered in the news of incidents that I am referring to. (Usually the mainstream media doesn't care because it is persecution of Christians, so only conservative news sources will cover it).



Well unfortunately, that usually doesn't happen, see Oklahoma as an example. Oh and Nancy Pelosi tried to get the church to campaign for Obamacare which didn't go over very well.

I will grant you some Aethists are open to the possibility of God actually existing. But it seems to be more of a belief that there is no God.

thats called being agnostic.

It is a good question as to what atheists worship, what do you consider to be your ultimate authority figure?

I don't know any atheists that have issues with other people celebrating Christmas. Heck - I'm an atheist, and I celebrate Christmas. I just don't celebrate Jesus's "Birthday."

That is you personally, there have been plenty of incidents covered in the news of incidents that I am referring to. (Usually the mainstream media doesn't care because it is persecution of Christians, so only conservative news sources will cover it).